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re: Our Orange President has spoken - Mexico WILL pay for the WALL

Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27035 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

Yea all those attending those rallies were chanting knowing that Mexico would be paying through NAFTA changes


I always figured it would be through a mixture of foreign aid reduction and trashing NAFTA tbh...
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

The more money US companies make, the more they pay in income taxes.

wow, us businesses paying is the same as Mexico paying now i guess
Posted by TT1234
Member since Aug 2018
44 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

trashing NAFTA


Will you please explain to me what is in NAFTA that if changed will generate the government revenue to build the wall?? I don't understand.

Oh--what foreign aid will we cut??

Thanks in advance.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120437 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:18 pm to
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Who are the retards that thought they'd be cutting a check?


When he gets up and says "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" instead of "the wall will pay for itself because right now we spend x amount of dollars for every x amount of people who comes in. With the wall, it will keep x amount of people which saves the taxpayer x amount and that money will go towards the wall.

But I would love to see the real numbers. I'd like to know how many jobs done by illegals or people with temp visas that are jobs that Americans are not doing. Let's be real, they were all taken out and not allowed to come in, who would pick the strawberries, apples. avocados. grapes, etc?

When there is a natural disaster and all of these contractors have so many jobs and can't find enough good workers, you know where they turn to? I remember after Gustav I had to get my roof replaced. The contractor I used, had 6 houses as a result of the storm, that didn't include the jobs he had before the storm. You know who did most of my roof?

If a wall on the Mexican border would be more beneficial to the security and economy of this country, it would already be up.

Promising the wall is what got him elected. He is starting to campaign for 2020 and in his mind, it is essential he gets the wall going because if he doesn't he has nothing else to campaign on.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52407 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:18 pm to
Why don't you read the USMCA and get back with us.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46486 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:19 pm to
Trumps campaign released a policy briefing on wall funding strategies back in early 2016 during the campaign. He also proposed the "el chapo" plan (before Cruz tried to claim it) in September of the same year. If anyone thought Mexico was going to wire us cash for a wall, it's because they watch too much CNN. Air lifting secret pallets of unmarked, international currencies in the dark of night is not a standard diplomatic procedure.

I'm not sure why liberals keep beating this stupid drum. The funding was always going to be offset through other measures with regard to Mexico. Even if Mexico approved a direct aid package for the wall, Congress still has to appropriate the funding through the treasury, so we end up right back where we already are.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted by TT1234
Member since Aug 2018
44 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:23 pm to
Don't you agree working people generating taxes are good for the country? Aren't we very close to full employment?

Do you think we need a wall more than we need to end welfare for illegal immigrants?

Do you think we should make it easier for people who have or will be coming to take jobs their employers can verify to come to America if their job includes healthcare and minimum wage?

Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:26 pm to
Don’t care who pays for it just build it!
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

Think about how much Mexico would benefit from 30 million skilled workers returning. To their country.

Talk about a Renaissance.


Gold

They are the best of the best.

Their tax dollars would pay for schools, hospitals, infrastructure in Mexico.

Hell, we might want to build a wall to keep everybody from leaving.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted by TT1234
Member since Aug 2018
44 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

Why don't you read the USMCA and get back with us.


You speak with such authority and certainty I mistakenly thought you could explain it.

I apologize if I made you uncomfortable.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

The funding was always going to be offset through other measures with regard to Mexico.

lmao offset through other measures with regard to mexico

now it's "muh imaginary offsets"

sorry but that is not "having mexico pay for it" in any context, and no amount of spin will ever change that- it will only make you look more cuckish and willing to make a fool of yourself defending your boy
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 8:32 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120437 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

Don't you agree working people generating taxes are good for the country? Aren't we very close to full employment?



Of course and yes, but what I am saying is that there are industries that depend on the labor to produce whatever it is they produce. Without these workers, they simply wouldn't have the manpower to get these produces which are used by other companies, whether it's grocery stores, companies that use these products as ingredients, etc.

This might help better explain what I am getting at.

LINK
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

OweO


You are the dumbest poster on this site. Go back to the lunch thray you piece of shite
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46486 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

Don't you agree working people generating taxes are good for the country? Aren't we very close to full employment?


Yes. We have a welfare class of some 100 million Americans. Let's start there, and then we can continue to improve the guest worker program.

quote:

Do you think we need a wall more than we need to end welfare for illegal immigrants?


The federal government does not grant welfare directly to illegals. Some states give them welfare, so take it up with NY and Cali. Illegals get most of their "welfare" through eligible anchor babies, and use of public services like schools, etc... Even if we ended birthright citizenship and cleaned up welfare, we haven't addressed the issue of human traffickers, cartels, false asylum seekers, and gangs. A wall gives us a dramatically higher level of control for all of the above.


quote:

Do you think we should make it easier for people who have or will be coming to take jobs their employers can verify to come to America if their job includes healthcare and minimum wage?


See my response to your first question. I am a big believer that our legal immigration and work visa system is overly bureaucratic, but that's the least of our worries right now. The population of illegal aliens in country has doubled in the last decade.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19474 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:42 pm to
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Would take me a reciprocating saw on one 20 volt charge to cut through that wall. Hahahaha


You continually prove your ignorance and stupidity.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

The population of illegal aliens in country has doubled in the last decade.


Narrator: It hasn't.

Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52407 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:46 pm to
How so?

Many clauses were added by the USMCA that had been exploited by US manufacturers under NAFTA that was a huge incentive to build products in Mexico. For instance, the minimum wage requirement was raised to $16/hr. This coupled with the requirement for cars to have at least 75% of NA made components will discourage many manufacturers from building there versus here. Also, a requirement was added where workers unions were also put in play in Mexico. This is something new so it's gonna add a whole new level of frickery to the Mexican manufacturing process. Many US states have "right to work" laws so unions won't come into play. Those jobs leaving Mexico and coming here equate to about $50K/yr jobs for THOUSANDS of workers. How many of those does it take to equal $5B over a few years?



Want me to keep going?

Posted by TT1234
Member since Aug 2018
44 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:46 pm to
And you are correct.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46486 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:47 pm to
Didn't I drag my eggplant sized nuts across your hipster beard on this issue the other night? Yep. Sure did. You only stopped flailing because the thread got anchored and you are a first rate attention whore.

This role you play is lame as frick, kid. Displaced does it better anyway. Learn a new trick.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:48 pm to
not sure what you're talking about. you've been consistently, wildly wrong on everything i've ever gone back & forth with you about
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