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re: OT Ukraine thread - you were not kidding
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:17 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:17 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Same shite. Different forum.
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The US didn't stop meddling with Ukrainian politics just because Obama's boy lost. Trump fricked with Zelensky for personal vendetta, and Biden wants NATO presence along Russian border.
But what does this have to do with Zelensky
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Zelensky was sucked into the same situation literally as soon as he was elected. You may recall articles of impeachment? He was subsequently far more (naively) vocal regarding joining NATO.
If your major point is US interference, the point dies when the interference dies.
In this case, that occurred when Z ousted our puppet.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:26 am to Asharad
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The US didn't stop meddling with Ukrainian politics just because Obama's boy lost.
You think Putin stopped meddling with Ukrainian politics when his boy lost in 2014?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:28 am to NC_Tigah
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Zelensky was sucked into the same situation literally as soon as he was elected.
Because it had nothing meaningful to do with whatever the US did. We didn't affect or change anything.
The vast majority of Ukrainians do not want to be under Russian rule.
The vast majority of Ukrainians want to be part of the EU.
Putin will never allow Ukraine to join the EU while he's alive and has any power. He will burn Russia to the ground before he lets Ukraine have the opportunity to develop into a better country than Russia.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Never said that. I agree with you 100% on that point. My point is this: Imagine if Putin recreated the Warsaw Pact and invited Cuba to join. Tell me with a straight face that the US would not act militarily. Which side would YOU be on, and why?
You think Putin stopped meddling with Ukrainian politics when his boy lost in 2014?
Are you for Ukraine because you support USA allies? Or are you for Ukraine because an aggressor invaded?
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 7:35 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:30 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Those are some serious war monger, want WWIII, freaks.
The OT thread is full of a bunch if pussies who played D&D once and think they've served.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You're familiar with the Party of Regions? It was Ukraine's largest political party. It was """Pro-Russian""". After the US orchestrated coup d'état in 2014, Ukraine descended into Civil War. TPOR withdrew from Kiev to separatist regions in much the same way Democrats did from Washington DC during our Civil War. Those who attempted to do otherwise were jailed, murdered, or forced into exile.
Ukraine wants to be European and not a Russia vassal state.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:40 am to Civildawg
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I feel like I’m a pretty normal person and that thread weirds me the frick out. It’s just a very odd point of view with some of the posters in there
Some “odd POV” here, too, if odd is supposed to mean “different from mine”.
The isolationist POV is strong on this board. On the OT there are more people, like me, who think that the struggle between communism and democratic capitalism is back.
I believe we are fighting the commies on two fronts. One is in Ukraine, and the other is in the institutions of our society - in education, in the federal bureaucracy, in the big city governments, especially in the judiciary - all the WOKE shite.
I sympathize with an argument that is more at home on this Poli-Board, that our government that is pushing for supporting Ukraine is a globalist kleptocracy. It is. But they can be dealt with any time, and they are not the major threat - the commies are. George Soros and the commies must be dealt with before, or at least while, we are dealing with the Davos shitheads.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:40 am to Asharad
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Imagine if Putin recreated the Warsaw Pact and invited Cuba to join. Tell me with a straight face that the US would not act militarily. Which
The point is nobody else has this power. I don't even think Cuba would entertain this position.
Our more likely position would be to normalize relations with Cuba to thwart the efforts. We win conflicts with trade, not war. We can win wars but they don't really help us, unless an ally or trade is affected. We learned that in Iraq and Afghanistan. We can win the war, but then what?
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Are you for Ukraine because you support USA allies? Or are you for Ukraine because an aggressor invaded?
I want Russia thwarted to ensure the efficiency of international trade that is not only very important to our standard of living, but a behavior where the US benefits disproportionately compared to any other country on Earth.
I want any other future actor who wants to threaten interfering with global trade to understand that it's costly to the US and it will cost us less to act militarily.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:bullshite.
Because it had nothing meaningful to do with whatever the US did. We didn't affect or change anything.
Let me state this clearly:
1) I am strongly against the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
2) I am strongly against USA and Russia meddling in other countries politics.
3) I am vehemently opposed to the USA meddling in border countries to Russia, as this is how wars are started. And here we are. But let's cheer on Biden's war camp, because wars are great for the world.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 7:53 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:42 am to NC_Tigah
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It was Ukraine's largest political party. It was """Pro-Russian""". After the US orchestrated coup d'état in 2014, Ukraine descended into Civil War.
Ukraine descended into Civil War b/c Russia's puppet pulled the rug on their EU advancement (which was popular then and is now) and subjugated Ukraine to Russia.
The fact that the population reacted so strongly shows how much the EU means to normal Ukrainians.
The US didn't create the civil war. We used it to ensure Russia didn't install another puppet by installing our own. But he was largely impotent and then later ousted by Zelensky.
The reaction to Russia's puppet fricking over Ukraine was sincere and legitimate by the population.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine have the opportunity to develop into a better country than Russia.
Yikes! Soros & Co have no intention of ever allowing Ukraine to be anything but a money laundering cesspool. But to be clear, Ukraine median HH income is only about 1/4th of Russia's. That may be shy of the US-Mexico gap, but not by much.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Putin will never allow Ukraine to join the EU while he's alive and has any power. He will burn Russia to the ground before he lets Ukraine have the opportunity to develop into a better country than Russia.
It's clear at this point (has been all along to me) that Putin is willing to do just that to capture Ukraine. He's not arbitrarily pulling out. And he's not going to allow the US to broker a peace agreement. Either China brokers peace or this thing is going on years from now. How does either outcome justify our involvement?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:51 am to NC_Tigah
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Yikes! Soros & Co have no intention of ever allowing Ukraine to be anything but a money laundering cesspool.
See now you're leaving reality and getting into conspiracy theories.
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But to be clear, Ukraine median HH income is only about 1/4th of Russia's. That may be shy of the US-Mexico gap, but not by much.
Russia is a dying nation and Ukraine will be joining a modern economic union with access to the European market.
It will only be a matter of time before Ukraine surpasses Russia, which is exactly why Putin has been so aggressive there thwarting them from joining the EU. It was the primary reason for his puppet and the primary reason for this invasion.
Putin is literally dooming Russia to a future like NK (where they are irrelevant but have nukes), solely to prevent Ukraine from developing. Think about that from an ego perspective. He'd rather kill his country than see it surpassed by little brother.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:NO!
Ukraine descended into Civil War b/c Russia's puppet pulled the rug
Ukraine descended into civil war because Ukrainians in the east were treated like shite by western Ukrainians. When the east FINALLY gained a political voice as head of state, he was removed in an illegal coup.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope.
Putin is literally dooming Russia to a future like NK
The west is doing that to Russia, just as it tried to do to Germany after WWI.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:02 am to ReeseBobby
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What’s weird is people confused as to why anyone would support a country defending themselves after they where invaded by a much larger neighbor.
The Ukes and the Russo's have been warring with each other for nearly a thousand years.
Not our problem. Let the Euro's sort it out. We, the US, have been carrying the Euro's for over 100 years now.
BTW, are the Ukes gonna pay us back that $100 billion we sent over there?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:04 am to Reubaltaich
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Let the Euro's sort it out. We, the US, have been carrying the Euro's for over 100 years now.
What?
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