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re: OT Ukraine thread - you were not kidding
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:55 am to JackieTreehorn
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:55 am to JackieTreehorn
statist4ever prays to that candle five times a day
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:56 am to jackamo3300
quote:
Does this same logic apply to us invading Iraq? Just wondering.
We rationalized that invasion as being in our best interests, even though some say it was done on erroneous information.
some say?
everyone not in bed with bush.
there were no wmds. no yellow cake either.
al quaida was not in Iraq.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Irrational
Oh lord dripping with irony.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So you are full blown zionist looking to boil Jesus in a vat of feces? framing false arguments?
Because it had nothing meaningful to do with whatever the US did. We didn't affect or change anything.
The vast majority of Ukrainians do not want to be under Russian rule.
The vast majority of Ukrainians want to be part of the EU.
Putin will never allow Ukraine to join the EU while he's alive and has any power. He will burn Russia to the ground before he lets Ukraine have the opportunity to develop into a better country than Russia.
Ukraine has been recognized as a line to not be threatened and crossed by former NATO or EU since before the Soviet Union disbanded
ALL world diplomatic corps have known and recognized this
Why is it being done now that the same tribe who perpetrated the Bolshevik Rewvolution seeking to start it again?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:19 am to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:24 am to jackamo3300
quote:
We rationalized that invasion as being in our best interests, even though some say it was done on erroneous information.
The Iraq was wasn’t rationalized on
“Erroneous information” it was rationalized on manufactured evidence. Everyone involved in the WMD canard knew they were peddling a lie.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:25 am to CelticDog
quote:
there were no wmds. no yellow cake either.
So as far as you're concerned, it is absolutely beyond the realm of possibility that during the critical period of negotiations before the effete United Nations, which went on for every bit of 6 months, that it was more than enough time to move such weapons elsewhere.
There's speculation that some, if not all of them, wound up in the Bekaa Valley.
What were those long caravans being filmed leaving Iraq while those critical negotiations were going on before the very accommodating U.N. - the perfect stonewall buying time for Saddam.
Saddam used something to gas those unfortunate Kurds.
Forensics identified mustard gas as some of it along with "unidentified nerve agents."
Like Sarin?
Only some of what all fall under the category of WMDs.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:27 am to Zarkinletch416
quote:Agreed completely but we all need to dig deeper to discover who it is that actually wants for people to die in this new Bolshevik Revolution.
They want to send your kids to Ukraine, but not theirs
I have been reading texts from the era from just before the Bolshevik Revolution through the Bolshevik blood letting and genocide perpetrated by The people responsible for it - some of it reads identically to what is occurring in the same place today as the same people attempt to perpetrate the same bloodlust, the same purges and genocide.
quote:Absolutely not. The cabinet of the USA has TODAY been occupied by the same people as the Bolsheviks of more than 100 years ago seeking the same death they sought over 100 years ago.
Yep. Hell no, we won't go fight and die for "the crook" and his pal George Soros.
quote:The neo-Bolsheviks control much of that MSM as well. and who are they?
So what was the final death count of Americans killed in that Syrian attack? Anybody know? Or has the Biden folks and his pals in the MSM put a lid on the casuality numbers?
BE praying to God above and considering ways to remove the scourge that flaunts its takeover of the United States, as they have
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:31 am to jackamo3300
You know who was there both at the neo-Bolshevik time of those lies about Iraq and ARE ALSO THERE NOW?
HINT it is the group also there now. Khazarian princess Victoria Nuland created and spread the lies of 'WMD in Iraq as well as all of the lies today about UKRAINE and the running roughshod over the KNOWN red line of Russia
HINT it is the group also there now. Khazarian princess Victoria Nuland created and spread the lies of 'WMD in Iraq as well as all of the lies today about UKRAINE and the running roughshod over the KNOWN red line of Russia
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:33 am to thebigmuffaletta
quote:PRECISELY
The Iraq was wasn’t rationalized on
“Erroneous information” it was rationalized on manufactured evidence. Everyone involved in the WMD canard knew they were peddling a lie.
and the exact same force is peddling the UKRAINIAN LIES
AND
the exact same force as fomented the Bolshevik Revolution and the purges and genocides associated with it
We have a Khazarian problem
AGAIN
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:35 am to jackamo3300
quote:
Saddam used something to gas those unfortunate Kurds. Forensics identified mustard gas as some of it along with "unidentified nerve agents." Like Sarin?
The US knew about that gassing when it happened because the US helped facilitate it by giving Iraq the intel on Iranian positions. The US also openly lied and attempted to blame it on their enemy Iran.
Using an attack we helped facilitate as justification for an invasion of a country is the height of hypocrisy. But then again, US foreign policy sits on a throne of hypocrisy.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Folks: If I recall correctly, it's supposed to work like this:
The OT thread on this war is SUPPOSED to be limited to a purely Military range of topics raised by the current Military situation in Ukraine and Russia.
Over here on the PT board is where we should place our political opinions with regard to that war and all topics related to that war.
Here is a very "baseline" concept that IMHO has been guiding the USA's foreign policy for a long time. It is the "Neo-Conservative" concept that US Diplomats like to call "Liberal Internationalism". I'll link the Wiki article below.
Seems to me that this Liberal Internationalism does make some sense, in a World in which the USA is the Global Police Force because the United Nations is either unwilling or unable to perform its "Mission" of being the de jure "Global Police Force". We are in fact in such a World and the US military IS de facto, the Global Police Force.
The problem with Liberal Internationalism today is that the USA's brand of "Liberalism" is sick, twisted and perverted. The USA today intends to Export the Gay and Transsexual Agenda. Not many of my fellow Americans today are down with that, therefore, many of my fellow Americans are rooting for Putin in this war. Putin doesn't care to have the Rainbow and Transsexual flag being saluted in Ukraine like it is here in the USA. That is understandable.
Here is the link to Liberal Internationalism, which seems to be the foreign policy of the USA today, and going back for decades.
Note that those who call themselves "Liberal Internationalists" firmly do believe in US military intervention in order to advance the Objectives of the Liberal Internationalist US foreign policy.
LINK
The OT thread on this war is SUPPOSED to be limited to a purely Military range of topics raised by the current Military situation in Ukraine and Russia.
Over here on the PT board is where we should place our political opinions with regard to that war and all topics related to that war.
Here is a very "baseline" concept that IMHO has been guiding the USA's foreign policy for a long time. It is the "Neo-Conservative" concept that US Diplomats like to call "Liberal Internationalism". I'll link the Wiki article below.
Seems to me that this Liberal Internationalism does make some sense, in a World in which the USA is the Global Police Force because the United Nations is either unwilling or unable to perform its "Mission" of being the de jure "Global Police Force". We are in fact in such a World and the US military IS de facto, the Global Police Force.
The problem with Liberal Internationalism today is that the USA's brand of "Liberalism" is sick, twisted and perverted. The USA today intends to Export the Gay and Transsexual Agenda. Not many of my fellow Americans today are down with that, therefore, many of my fellow Americans are rooting for Putin in this war. Putin doesn't care to have the Rainbow and Transsexual flag being saluted in Ukraine like it is here in the USA. That is understandable.
Here is the link to Liberal Internationalism, which seems to be the foreign policy of the USA today, and going back for decades.
Note that those who call themselves "Liberal Internationalists" firmly do believe in US military intervention in order to advance the Objectives of the Liberal Internationalist US foreign policy.
LINK
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:57 am to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
But then again, US foreign policy sits on a throne of hypocrisy.
Liberal Internationalism is the US foreign policy and has been for decades. An important reason why you are correct here is because US foreign policy was disrupted by the Election of Donald Trump as POTUS 45. His election interrupted the decades of pursuit of the Lib Int US foreign policy. So, this "flux" causes what looks like hypocrisy. Also, the Liberal Internationalist pursues the objective regardless of any notion of "hypocrisy".
Under Biden, the USA is trying to get back on track as the permanent Global Police Force in order to spread the USA's version of "Liberalism" throughout the Globe.
PS Here in 2023, the USA's version of "Liberalism" is quite Socialist and very Transsexual. Not many of my fellow Americans are down with that AND even fewer of the folks who currently live on Earth are down with that.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:10 am to ReeseBobby
How about we stop the invasion at our border first?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:17 am to ReeseBobby
Ukraine isn't a nation but a honey pot for corrupt politicians.
They are unable to become a true sovereign nation because of the massive corruption within those borders.
They are unable to become a true sovereign nation because of the massive corruption within those borders.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:17 am to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
I got attacked for some simple common sense logic. Those are some serious war monger, want WWIII, freaks. smh National Divorce?
There's a common thread for most rabid Ukraine supporters, it's a belief that Trump and Putin are weekend golfing buddies and Trump and Putin colluded to deny Hilldawg the presidency on 2016. The others that support Ukraine who claim to be conservative are generally aligned with the R establishment neocon wing of the Republican Party....like a Mark Levin type.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:20 am to Bass Tiger
quote:
The others that support Ukraine who claim to be conservative are generally aligned with the R establishment neocon wing of the Republican Party....like a Mark Levin type.
You do realize it is possible to support Ukraine's sovereignty without being in favor of U.S. monetary or military intervention, don't you?
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You're kidding?
It's tied to Presidential admins specifically?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:21 am to RollTide1987
quote:
You do realize it is possible to support Ukraine's sovereignty without being in favor of U.S. monetary or military intervention, don't you?
Which is the opposite of what we're doing
In fact, I don't know how anyone can claim Ukraine is Sovereign with a straight face.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:27 am to cajuntiger1010
quote:
Bunch of “I woulda joined the military but would have swung at a drill seargant“ dudes in that thread living their call of duty dreams
And they would have received a code red. Or maybe...
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