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re: Only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the height of chattel slavery.

Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:00 pm to
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Percents were higher amongst free blacks.


Tru. Black people have enslaved more Black people than any other race.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:01 pm to
What percentage of Americans with Jamaican descent owned slaves?



Posted by uziyourillusion
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:01 pm to
1860 census data. Again, it’s using households as the metric, not individuals.
Posted by uziyourillusion
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:03 pm to
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Primary Data Source • U.S. Census of 1860 — “Population of the United States in 1860: Compiled from the Original Returns” • This census included slave schedules listing the number of enslaved persons per owner. • Historians calculate the percent of slaveholding households by dividing the number of slaveholders by the number of free white households in each state. • The full tables are available in the National Archives and have been digitized by several research institutions (e.g., IPUMS USA, University of Minnesota). ? ?? Key Scholarly Analyses 1. “Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970” (U.S. Department of Commerce, 1975) ? Provides aggregated data directly derived from the 1860 census, including household and slaveholding breakdowns. 2. Kenneth M. Stampp – The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South (1956) ? Estimates that about 25% of white Southern families owned slaves, emphasizing class divisions and economic concentration. 3. Ira Berlin – Generations of Captivity: A History of African-American Slaves (2003) ? Confirms regional variation: roughly half of white families in Mississippi and South Carolina owned slaves, while ownership dropped below 20% in upper southern states. 4. U.S. Census Office Report (1864) – “Population of the United States in 1860; Compiled from the Original Returns of the Eighth Census” ? Lists 395,216 slaveholders out of 1.6 million white families in the 15 slave states, yielding roughly 24.7% overall. 5. Historical Atlas of the United States (National Geographic, 1993) ? Maps show slaveholding percentages by county and state, visually confirming the census-based figures.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53866 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:03 pm to
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owever, this number is misleading because slave ownership was almost exclusively concentrated in the southern slaveholding states, where the percentage was much higher.


Why doesn't it tell you what the percentage was? That AI sucks. It's like it's programmed to be misleading.


Maybe, maybe not. I think when you consider there were nearly 3 times as many Americans living north of the Mason Dixon line in the 1860's the 1.5% number may be correct.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:05 pm to
Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I had always thought it was around 1%. Probably still pretty much the same way these days really. The only thing that's changed is that it's gone underground.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:11 pm to
A decent sized percentage of the slaveowners in the south were not white
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:19 pm to
I see some down votes but I don't see a reasonable explanation of why black Americans currently living today should receive any form of reparations. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died and hundreds of thousands were maimed ending chattel slavery and trillions have been spent on enslaving black Americans through government dependence.
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:43 pm to
Why are you obsessed over this?
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:49 pm to
The slave owner in Louisiana, who owned the most slaves, was a black man.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:16 pm to
Well, slaves were expensive…

But I always thought it was about 10%.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:17 pm
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26340 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:19 pm to
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25-30% of families is pretty significant.


Now what percentage of families today have knowingly or unknowningly employed an illegal in this country?

Keep in mind, that back then, it was the norm. Also, a LOT of families had 1 "slave" that did a majority of the house work and they took good care of them...much like maids today without the term attached
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:27 pm to
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4172 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:37 pm to
That number makes all the sense in the world when you consider who holds the wealth in America.

"White households in the United States hold a large majority of the nation’s wealth, owning about 84% of total wealth while representing about 66% of all households "
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:39 pm to
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In the years leading up to the U.S. Civil War (around 1860), about 25–30% of white Southern households owned slaves, but the distribution was very uneven across states and classes: • Overall South: Roughly 8% of all American families (including Northern ones) and about 25% of white families in the South owned slaves. • Upper South (e.g., Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee): Ownership was lower — typically around 20% of white families. • Deep South (e.g., Mississippi, South Carolina): Ownership was much higher — around 45–50% of white families owned slaves. • Only about 1% of white Southerners owned 50 or more enslaved people — those were the large plantation elites who dominated the region’s politics and economy. So while slaveholding was concentrated among wealthier households, slavery itself shaped the entire Southern economy and social hierarchy — even non-slaveholding whites depended on it economically or socially.

I have studied the census rolls for Bullock Alabama; the total is closer to 2%.

Normally a family of 4-6 had no slaves. Few households had slaves.

Once you get into the larger farms and plantations you see slaves and in large numbers.

A normal family farming could not effort the cost of buying slave, as the prices by 1860 were way out of the means of a farming family.

My relatives are from North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana and I have found none that owned a slave. In fact, my relatives in Louisiana had an Indian living down the road who help plant and harvest the coups during the war.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:41 pm
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19336 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:56 pm to
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Only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the height of chattel slavery.


And approximately 0% have been or owned slaves in more than a century.

It’s a non-story.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19654 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:01 pm to
We can all agree that AAs were dealt with a uniquely terrible hand with govt policies, the same policies that also had an effect on white AMericans if we're being honest.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19654 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:02 pm to
Then you're a fool, black soldiers in many cases were treated extremely poor when captured by confederates. Nathan Bedforest later regretted such actions.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:04 pm to
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Only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the height of chattel slavery.
Bass Tiger
Someone make a legitimate and logical argument for black Americans today asking/demanding and believing they are entitled to some form of reparations (even though 360k Union soldiers died ending chattel slavery) when only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the heights of chattel slavery.

I'm not pro-reparations, but it's a very misleading tack to take when arguing this.

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Even more revealing was their attachment to slavery. Among the enlistees in 1861, slightly more than one in ten owned slaves personally. This compared favorably to the Confederacy as a whole, in which one in every twenty white persons owned slaves. Yet more than one in every four volunteers that first year lived with parents who were slaveholders. Combining those soldiers who owned slaves with those soldiers who lived with slaveholding family members, the proportion rose to 36 percent. That contrasted starkly with the 24.9 percent, or one in every four households, that owned slaves in the South, based on the 1860 census. Thus, volunteers in 1861 were 42 percent more likely to own slaves themselves or to live with family members who owned slaves than the general population.

The attachment to slavery, though, was even more powerful. One in every ten volunteers in 1861 did not own slaves themselves but lived in households headed by non family members who did. This figure, combined with the 36 percent who owned or whose family members owned slaves, indicated that almost one of every two 1861 recruits lived with slaveholders. Nor did the direct exposure stop there. Untold numbers of enlistees rented land from, sold crops to, or worked for slaveholders. In the final tabulation, the vast majority of the volunteers of 1861 had a direct connection to slavery. For slaveholder and nonslaveholder alike, slavery lay at the heart of the Confederate nation. The fact that their paper notes frequently depicted scenes of slaves demonstrated the institution's central role and symbolic value to the Confederacy.

More than half the officers in 1861 owned slaves, and none of them lived with family members who were slaveholders. Their substantial median combined wealth ($5,600) and average combined wealth ($8,979) mirrored that high proportion of slave ownership. By comparison, only one in twelve enlisted men owned slaves, but when those who lived with family slave owners were included, the ratio exceeded one in three. That was 40 percent above the tally for all households in the Old South. With the inclusion of those who resided in nonfamily slaveholding households, the direct exposure to bondage among enlisted personnel was four of every nine. Enlisted men owned less wealth, with combined levels of $1,125 for the median and $7,079 for the average, but those numbers indicated a fairly comfortable standard of living. Proportionately, far more officers were likely to be professionals in civil life, and their age difference, about four years older than enlisted men, reflected their greater accumulated wealth.


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The Historical Census Browser from the University of Virginia Library allows users to compile, sort and visualize data from U.S. Censuses from 1790 to 1960. For Glatthaar's purposes and ours, the 1860 census, taken a few months before the outbreak of the war, is crucial. It records basic data about the free population, including names, sex, approximate age, occupation and value of real and personal property of each person in a household. A second, separate schedule records the name of each slaveholder and lists the slave he or she owns. Each slave is listed by sex and age; names were not recorded. The data in the UofV online system can be broken down either by state or counties within a state, and make it possible to compare one data element (e.g., households) with another (slaveholders) and calculate the proportions between them.

In the vast majority of cases, each household (termed a "family" in the 1860 document, even when the group consisted of unrelated people living in the same residence) that owned slaves had only one slaveholder listed, the head of the household. It is thus possible to compare the number of slaveholders in a given state to the numbers of families/households, and get a rough estimation of the proportion of free households that owned at least one slave. The numbers varies considerably, ranging from 1 in 5 in Arkansas to 1 in 2 in Mississippi and South Carolina. In the eleven states that formed the Confederacy, there were in aggregate just over 1 million free households, which between them represented 316,632 slaveholders—meaning that just under one-third of households in the Confederate States counted among its assets at least one human being.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25198 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:43 pm to
The Great Society and the War On Poverty are very expensive reparations that did more harm than good to the toon of 22 trillion.
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