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re: One in the chamber or not?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:24 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:24 am to HubbaBubba
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Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:26 am to HubbaBubba
Round in the chamber.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:27 am to HubbaBubba
quote:Yep. If I need my gun, it will be because I need it fast. I can't be worrying about rackin that bitch.
One in the chamber or not?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:28 am to HubbaBubba
humbly, i'd say if you had "concerns" about a bullet in a micro handgun being unsafe....i'd tell you should not carry at all.
at least until you...
#1 feel more confident in your ability of keeping your damn finger off the trigger (its not that hard)
#2 maybe have more gun safety training..with a goal of understanding the purpose on the gun(with a bullet in the chamber)
humbly speaking.
fwiw,
i agree with your instructor.
it is stupid to walk around with a "last resort" defensive firearm that will require you to perform an additional unnecessary step (racking) for it to perform its function.
the bad guy will not wait for you to rack, btw
(sorry)
good video.
youtube
at least until you...
#1 feel more confident in your ability of keeping your damn finger off the trigger (its not that hard)
#2 maybe have more gun safety training..with a goal of understanding the purpose on the gun(with a bullet in the chamber)
humbly speaking.
fwiw,
i agree with your instructor.
it is stupid to walk around with a "last resort" defensive firearm that will require you to perform an additional unnecessary step (racking) for it to perform its function.
the bad guy will not wait for you to rack, btw
(sorry)
good video.
youtube
quote:
I had a discussion with the instructor, a former cop. I expressed concern about keeping a live round in my firearm, a Sig P365, while holstered inside my waistband.
His response was it would be stupid not to, saying the extra second to rack the slide could be deadly in a sudden confrontation. He said I should spend time with the gun having it without one in the chamber, but with a full clip to get used to the weight, and practice pulling it out to the firing position from seated and standing positions at home, in my car, etc to get comfortable with it and proficient. I get this, but still, a live round ready to fire concerns me as unsafe
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 8:34 am
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:28 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
His response was it would be stupid not to
Yep.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:28 am to HubbaBubba
quote:How long until one of our firearm fetishists throws a fit about this usage?
with a full clip to get used to the weight
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:29 am to WhiskeyThrottle
quote:It was only a matter of time. I am just surprised that it took three pages.
It's a magazine. Not a clip.
In all likelihood, the same posters throw a tantrum when the use of specific language works AGAINST them.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 8:31 am
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:36 am to Knight of Old
quote:
A 38 revolver: the VAST, VAST majority of self defense matters are resolved with 2-4 rounds and never have to worry about racking and virtually never a misfire
I'm considering swapping from my shield to a revolver, but I'd want a hammerless if I were going to carry
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:39 am to HubbaBubba
Always loaded. Always.
You don’t get to choose the variables in a confrontation. You may need your off hand to fight a person off. Or your off hand could be injured.
Racking a slide one handed on your belt or on your boot heel isn’t as easy as John Wick makes it look.
You don’t get to choose the variables in a confrontation. You may need your off hand to fight a person off. Or your off hand could be injured.
Racking a slide one handed on your belt or on your boot heel isn’t as easy as John Wick makes it look.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:42 am to HubbaBubba
It takes a high level of training for this. You may hear this called "Israeli carry" as they are known for it. A few Israelis I have shot with demonstrated for me. They were fantastic with it but i could tell yoy need to train consistently for it
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:45 am to HubbaBubba
Because of my lack of training and lack of experience, I do not keep one in the chamber. Not being highly trained and highly experienced like law enforcement or military, I don’t trust myself not to make a tragic error
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:52 am to Dawgwithnoname
S&W 442. Hammerless, no Hillary Hole. That's what I got for my wife.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:55 am to HubbaBubba
I don't keep one chambered when I'm not carrying it (home or vehicle). When I do carry I chamber because if I actually have to use it I don't think I have the muscle memory or training to pull, yank slide, aim, shoot.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:55 am to HubbaBubba
There is a lot of discussion on this. Here is my suggestion: carry with your weapon loaded and an empty chamber for 30 days, treat it as though there is a round in the chamber. Do everything with your weapon you will be doing - carry it, holster it, unholster it, everything. If you here a click in those 30 days, stop carrying you are unsafe. If not, carry with a round in the chamber.
Now here is the really important part - pray to God you do not need your weapon in those 30 days because it is useless without a round in the chamber. If you need it you won't have the time or ability to chamber a round under the pressure of the moment. When you need a weapon to defend yourself, the first second is what determines the outcome, can you draw, chamber a round, click the safety of off, get a clear sight picture, breathe through the chaos and squeeze a round off at center mass and prepare for a follow-up shot while assessing who else is a threat in that second? Why add the most time consuming step of chambering a round?
Now here is the really important part - pray to God you do not need your weapon in those 30 days because it is useless without a round in the chamber. If you need it you won't have the time or ability to chamber a round under the pressure of the moment. When you need a weapon to defend yourself, the first second is what determines the outcome, can you draw, chamber a round, click the safety of off, get a clear sight picture, breathe through the chaos and squeeze a round off at center mass and prepare for a follow-up shot while assessing who else is a threat in that second? Why add the most time consuming step of chambering a round?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:59 am to bluedragon
I bought my wife a Ruger 38 special LCR. No hammer, no safety and a grip Crimson Trace. I told her when she is threatened put the red dot on the threat and pull the trigger 5 times. When I CC my .45 it is inside the belt on my side or inside the belt behind my back with one in the chamber. At the farm I open carry .22 for pesky critters and such.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:00 am to Screaming Viking
quote:
Personally, when carrying, one on the chamber and safety off
Trash
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:12 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
His response was it would be stupid not to, saying the extra second to rack the slide could be deadly in a sudden confrontation. He said I should spend time with the gun having it without one in the chamber, but with a full clip to get used to the weight, and practice pulling it out to the firing position from seated and standing positions at home, in my car, etc to get comfortable with it and proficient. I get this, but still, a live round ready to fire concerns me as unsafe. Should I be? Statistically, is this even an issue I should be concerned with?
You can get a manual safety conversion kit for that firearm. I know there are people who think manual safeties suck, but if you are nervous that is what I would go with. Just make sure you train and train a lot with the manual safety.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:15 am to Bazzatcha
quote:
Ask your mommy.
It's not my mom's fault that you didn't use the proper phrasing.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:20 am to HubbaBubba
Loaded and chambered when conceal carrying. I have a Vulcan arms magnetic mount in the vehicle. If you’re nervous, it’s designed so that, when you go to grab your firearm, you can rack by simply pushing down on the firearm, then pull. No need to pull, then rack. Huge difference in time. Still not as fast as pulling with the chamber full, but it’s as close as humanly possible.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:21 am to AggieHank86
Hank, I often agree with some of the statements that you post but more often you are just being a prick. Why must you be like the neighborhood stray mutt that is constantly roving around looking for a pants leg to piss on? 
There are better things to do in life and you might actually acquire some friends.
There are better things to do in life and you might actually acquire some friends.
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