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re: On the subject of Pope Leo
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:10 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:10 pm to RobbBobb
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He is 100% against the Trump policy, and is tasking the church to aid and assist in violating the laws of our nation
Since Leo's installation the messaging in mass is to care for those who are the least among us and this includes migrants. As an aside, we have a large Hispanic faction making up our congregation. So it is front and center. And they are fine people. I have this feeling church leadership will choose to pay more attention to the plight of illegal migrants and less to the reason for our immigration laws.
It drives me crazy because we won't have a country if we don't preserve some of what made our country. Otherwise we become a South American county in time.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:37 pm to OTIS2
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You are downplaying the influence of the leader of the church.
The Catholic Pope has almost zero political influence over US politics or world politics, IMHO.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:53 pm to dragginass
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Give me quotes from Leo, not antagonistic media. Let us judge his words, good or bad.
Thanks for confirming your bias. The writer is pro-Leo and his actions
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Pope Leo calls on U.S. bishops to stand up for migrants’ rights
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Instead, some bishops appear to be too busy listening to their own voices on television. (Take Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, who on a recent Fox News appearance likened Charlie Kirk to the Apostle Paul.)
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It’s not partisan politics to state Catholic Church teachings. It is doing what the Catholic faith and tradition call them to do
And I gave you direct quotes from him in response to clergy seeking his guidance about US policy
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“I wish that they were stronger in their own voice.”
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You have in your hands a very great task, which is to accompany the people who truly and profoundly need a sign that God never abandons anyone: not the smallest, not the poorest, not the foreigner, not anyone.”
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“The church cannot be silent,”
So its hogwash for you to be defending the pope for doing what he is actually doing; advocating violating US law
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:56 pm to Champagne
Unfortunately, I think more people across the world place more importance on the Pope’s political opinions than you believe.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 11:30 pm to dragginass
I think it's pretty clear and obvious at this point that this pope is going to be Francis 2.0. But that is okay, as he is just one man and one bishop.
His church is not the one that God founded on Pentecost in 33 AD. The Roman Catholic church (RCC) was founded in 1054 AD following the breakup of the Chalcedonian communion. The RCC teaches that Jesus is physically present in Communion, which is patently false. In John 6:53, Jesus is speaking metaphorically, not literally. The Disciples weren't literally consuming His flesh, but rather it was an emblem of their love for God.
More importantly, since its schism, the RCC has adopted many false doctrines and dogmas. These include the various Marian dogmas that cross the line from "veneration" into idolatry. Embellished statues of Mary can be found across pilgrimages hosted by the RCC. While Mary was very important and should be honored, the RCC is wobbling on this metaphorical tightrope and tumbling down into sin. It's no wonder why lots of young people my age convert to Catholicism for purely material reasons, such as its admittedly beautiful churches or its rich tradition.
But neither the tradition of man nor his works can save us. Paul wrote in Ephesians that we are saved by grace through faith alone. Meaning, we should find a church that teaches the Word to its fullest truth and in context.
I pray for the repentance of Rome and its communion with the Christian faith.
His church is not the one that God founded on Pentecost in 33 AD. The Roman Catholic church (RCC) was founded in 1054 AD following the breakup of the Chalcedonian communion. The RCC teaches that Jesus is physically present in Communion, which is patently false. In John 6:53, Jesus is speaking metaphorically, not literally. The Disciples weren't literally consuming His flesh, but rather it was an emblem of their love for God.
More importantly, since its schism, the RCC has adopted many false doctrines and dogmas. These include the various Marian dogmas that cross the line from "veneration" into idolatry. Embellished statues of Mary can be found across pilgrimages hosted by the RCC. While Mary was very important and should be honored, the RCC is wobbling on this metaphorical tightrope and tumbling down into sin. It's no wonder why lots of young people my age convert to Catholicism for purely material reasons, such as its admittedly beautiful churches or its rich tradition.
But neither the tradition of man nor his works can save us. Paul wrote in Ephesians that we are saved by grace through faith alone. Meaning, we should find a church that teaches the Word to its fullest truth and in context.
I pray for the repentance of Rome and its communion with the Christian faith.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:44 am to RobbBobb
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Thanks for confirming your bias. The writer is pro-Leo and his actions
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If your only quotes of his that are forming your opinions are:
“I wish that they were stronger in their own voice.”
"“The church cannot be silent,”
"You have in your hands a very great task, which is to accompany the people who truly and profoundly need a sign that God never abandons anyone: not the smallest, not the poorest, not the foreigner, not anyone.”
Then you have proven my point. Thank you.
None of those are political, controversial, or in any way contradicting church teaching.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 6:54 am
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:45 am to crazie04
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The Roman Catholic church (RCC) was founded in 1054 AD following the breakup of the Chalcedonian communion
Yeah, no.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:50 am to dragginass
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Give me quotes from Leo, not antagonistic media. Let us judge his words, good or bad.
That's the thing... he IS being judged by his own words.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:51 am to SallysHuman
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That's the thing... he IS being judged by his own words.
Which words in Dilexi Te, or otherwise, exactly?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 6:58 am to dragginass
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Which words in Dilexi Te, or otherwise, exactly?
I'm not catholic... the stuff I hear is what's widely reported- you may think it is antagonistic media twisting his words- but at most it is cherry picking.
I saw the blessing of the ice cube- although I understand that blessing the waters is a thing, the ice cube ceremony thingy was weird. I also read his words trying to expand on pro-life in concern to the politician who is decidedly not pro life.
What I hear YOU saying is to only listen to the pope when he says something "official"... and were he any other man, maybe you'd be right. But he's not representing as Any Man- he needs to speak more carefully and work to be above reproach.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:05 am to SallysHuman
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What I hear YOU saying is to only listen to the pope when he says something "official"
Not saying that at all. The last time the Pope spoke ex cathedra (infallibly) was in the 1950's. Clearly the Papacy has had influence since then.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 7:06 am
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:06 am to dragginass
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" Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."
Interesting how this is stated in such a way as to make it sound like "political authorities" are subordinate to the papacy.
Screw that guy.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:08 am to dragginass
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Not saying that at all. The last time the Pope spoke ex cathedra (infallibly) was in the 1950's. Clearly the Papacy has had influence since then.
As a non catholic... this means little to me. Not being snarky, but sincere... The Papacy DOES have influence beyond the RCC- which is one of many reasons why the Pope should be careful talking off the cuff... or of having his "official" words differ from his conversations.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:20 am to SallysHuman
I don't disagree with that. Simultaneously, that's why I think it's important to understand what he actually says.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:20 am to Champagne
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Catholics aren't obligated to follow the Pope's political opinions
The fact you believe the pope is infalliible is just a man made religious power grab.
turn your eyes away from all the bad the catholic church has done and the crappy liberal ideology and continue in your beliefs. As for me...no thanks.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:28 am to dragginass
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If your only quotes of his that are forming your opinions are:
“I wish that they were stronger in their own voice.”
"“The church cannot be silent,”
Asking copilot:
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Pope Leo XIV has made strong, emotionally resonant statements on both immigration and climate change, continuing the legacy of Pope Francis while adding his own American perspective. Here's a structured summary of his key remarks:
?? Immigration
Pope Leo has been outspoken in defending the dignity of migrants and criticizing harsh immigration policies, especially those in the United States:
Solidarity with Migrants: In a meeting with Bishop Mark Seitz and immigration advocates, Leo said:
Critique of Deportation Policies: He condemned mass deportations and called them “an injustice,” urging the Church in the U.S. to be more united and forceful in its in its support for immigrants.
Homily at Jubilee of Migrants:
Response to Political Rhetoric: Leo pushed back against the idea of ranking love for others
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Climate Change
Pope Leo has embraced and expanded Pope Francis’ ecological teachings, calling for urgent action and spiritual renewal:
Laudato Si’ Anniversary Conference:
Call for Ecological Conversion:
Criticism of Climate Denial: Without naming names, Leo rebuked those who “deride the increasingly evident signs of climate change” and “blame the poor for the very thing that affects them the most”.
Political Engagement: He urged citizens and NGOs to pressure governments for stronger environmental regulations and to take active roles in shaping policy.
Pope Leo’s statements reflect a deep moral urgency—he frames both immigration and climate justice as spiritual imperatives, not just political issues.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:31 am to dafif
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The fact you believe the pope is infalliible is just a man made religious power grab.
As I stated above, the Pope is only infallible when speaking ex cathedra, which has not happened since the 1950's. Your assumptions about what Catholics believe are misaligned.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:38 am to dragginass
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the Pope is only infallible when speaking ex cathedra,
Hence my statement. The fact you believe that or any catholic believes that is following in a man made religious power grab.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:41 am to dafif
The thread is in response to Dilexi Te. Nowhere in Dilexi Te does Leo discuss "climate change". In general, being good stewards of the earth and it's resources has always been the teaching. How that does or doesn't cross into the "climate change" religion is questionable. I would certainly agree he should refrain from crossing that line.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:42 am to dafif
No. You were stating that we believe the Pope is infallible, and that is not the case.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 5:25 pm
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