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re: Omicron cannot escape T cells
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:27 am to the808bass
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:27 am to the808bass
quote:
expecting Omicron to be a bigger strain on hospital resources.
Because of the number of cases or the severity?
I can see the covidians flocking to the ER when they realize their 3 shots didn’t stop them from getting it like they were told.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:28 am to roadGator
quote:
Because of the number of cases or the severity?
Number of cases, as has been stated multiple times in this thread.
As you increase the population of infected, there will be more outlier (in this case extreme) events.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Omicron has killed how many in the US so far?
Is it still at 1?
Is it still at 1?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
This is why I'm glad I'm in the "why not both?" category
That would be my son. double shot and boosted. Got COVID a month or two after booster. Was sick as a dog for 3 days and is still worn out tired.
Since he just moved home for a while, his room is in my office. I probably had covid last year and I take vitamin D and zinc. I wasn't worried. I had a brief head cold and slept a little more than usual, but I feel fine.
Of course this is anecdotal and I am not saying the vaxes wreck your immunity and make you more susceptible to sickness, but....
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:35 am to roadGator
It's just ramping up. Hopefully it stays so mild it doesn't stress our healthcare systems b/c that would be good for the entire population moving forward.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:37 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
Explain how they are "ignoring natural immunity."
Every policy decision they have made has been to discredit naturally acquired immunity and to push vaccination.
They push it on twitter, they spend federal dollars by the billions on vaccine contracts, yet not a single dollar or ad campaign or tweet talking about natural acquired immunity.
If it were being handled equally it would be part of a testing campaign and they would hand out cards showing status instead of helping push mandates getting those same people fired, treated as second class citizens, publicly scorned if they refuse the shots and now proposing they be banned from air travel.
Do we even live in the same country? When has Fauci or the CDC given any sort of positive guidance around natural immunity from a policy standpoint? I’m genuinely wondering what could compel you to have internalized that view?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Omicron can be the variant that “burns itself out” if the ramp up is really steep, right?
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:41 am to roadGator
If Omicron ends up spreading as much as projected and its leaves people with natural immunities from future mutations, then it should be a good thing. My fear is that this virus was lab-created and doesn't follow all the rules that we expect due to its engineering.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:41 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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The point is that neither the CDC nor the NIH have ignored the effects of prior infection - which is what I was responding to.
So when Fauci says he supports banning the unvaccinated from air travel and makes no mention of acquired immunity that doesn’t meet your threshold of ignoring it?
How about supporting the federal vaccine mandate with no exception for acquired immunity?
How about spending billions on testing for current exposure and vaccines with NO MONEY allocated for testing for previous exposure?
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What an awesome admission that government should not be trying to mandate medical treatment across all society. Bravo!
Prior infection is valid but it's impossible to adequately test in real time to create social policy. The issues with discussing T Cell protections are government-policy based and not medically-based. We can't create a policy for prior infections given how idiosyncratic their effects are.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:45 am to PetroAg
quote:
I read this variant is more localized in the nose and mouth and doesn’t replicate as quickly in the lungs.
I've had it for most of this week and I can confirm this. Feels like you've got peanut butter crammed in your sinuses. Headaches. Fever (pretty much exclusively at night for some reason), soar throat, lungs are raw but not congested, no problems breathing but you feel it, fatigue that's off the charts and general aches and pains in every spot you normally have them at the same time. Along with moments of nausea. Oh and I was double vaxxed Phizer.
The weirdest thing was when it affected my sense of taste. That's strange to experience.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Dismissing it as “fear porn” is defending it. Ignoring it allows it to thrive.
Who in this thread is defending any of those things? Nobody.
quote:bullshite.
Repeating those talking points is nothing more than right wing fear porn within this discussion
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:49 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:”Follow the science”
Policy is not being made on the basis of a lack of acknowledgement of natural T cell immunity. It’s being made for other beaurocratic reasons, usually scientifically irrelevant ones.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Prior infection is valid but it's impossible to adequately test in real time to create social policy. The issues with discussing T Cell protections are government-policy based and not medically-based. We can't create a policy for prior infections given how idiosyncratic their effects are
Yet other countries are doing it. How, if it’s impossible?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Because we don't know due to it being so individualized.
So we are recommending something that someone may not need “just in case” even though the DATA shows reinfections don’t require hospitalization
Then why don’t we can encourage the individual to get some testing done in order to find out. Are you saying those tests are NOT available? Some people want to understand what they are getting and what they need. Is it impossible for a person to understand how he individually stands as it pertains to his protection against a severe case.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:54 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:So tailor policy to morons, not science. Got it. You realize you’re proving their point, about government ignoring the science right?
While I disagree with the one size fits all policy they went with, the fact that a one size fits all policy is needed is because most humans are morons who can’t follow complex or nuanced instructions well. …You think that society will handle complex and varied medical instructions regarding a pandemic well?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:54 am to Penrod
quote:
Yet other countries are doing it. How, if it’s impossible?
I'm talking about the US.
What other countries are using real time tests to determine if a vaccine is needed or not as their governmental policy?
If any exist, I imagine they're much smaller with a population who follows government advice/mandates much more than the US does.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:55 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:so you disagree with the current policies and mandates that are being imposed?
Policy is not being made on the basis of a lack of acknowledgement of natural T cell immunity. It’s being made for other beaurocratic reasons, usually scientifically irrelevant ones.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Mandate me harder daddy!
with a population who follows government advice/mandates much more
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:59 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:They are behaving like someone that knows there are a metric isht ton of false positive tests.
They do believe it secretly.
They are just behaving like someone who doesn’t.
Can’t have people relying on the immunity from a false positive test. Gotta get them vaccinated.
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