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re: Omicron cannot escape T cells
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:02 pm to moneyg
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:02 pm to moneyg
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You were worried about strain on hospitals. A poster asked you to clarify if that was based on cases or severity. You said cases:
Because if you get enough cases, even a mild strain stands to threaten hospital capacity. It's just what happens when the sample gets large enough.
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We know Omicron is milder. So, the cases would have to be very high to give a similar strain to Delta
Supposedly Omicron has that threat potential b/c of how infectious it is. That's the concern, milder on average but so many you'll get too many extreme-outlier events.
As I've stated multiple times in this thread, the hope is that Omicron is that infectious but is even more mild than anticipated b/c that should be good for society dealing with CV19
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 2:03 pm
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like I said earlier, this board has devolved into the worst sorts of liars trying to promote literal misinformation
...says the guy who can't honestly defend his previous statements and instead tries to redefine terms.
"when I said "mandatory", I was talking about "societal expectations".
So, SFP, is the duration of a Covid spike relative to the severity of symptoms like you said?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:06 pm to RidiculousHype
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Using history as a guide, it never ends well when average Joes like us use social acceptance as an excuse to comply with heavy handed restrictions
I've stated on here for years that protesting is stupid, almost always inefficient, and rarely ever leads to positive results.
The anti-vaxxers haven't exactly made much progress in scaling back the regs with all of their protesting, so why do I think more will help?
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As eloquently as you have articulated the principles of libertarianism over the years on here, you should know all of this. In fact, you do know all of this.
Those are still my personal principles, but that is an intellectual fight and that has no place in a time of irrational political partisanship creating extreme "sides" that people demand compliance with to have a say (or they force you into the "other side" if you're not 100% on board with their extremities).
frick all that.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:07 pm to moneyg
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...says the guy who can't honestly defend his previous statements and instead tries to redefine terms.
"when I said "mandatory", I was talking about "societal expectations".
You understand the context of what I was saying with the entire post. You want to know how I know?
You intentionally left off the part that clearly said these would be suggestions and not forced. Why was that? So you can mislead anyone who didn't read the full, original post. Pure intentional intellectual dishonesty.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You intentionally left off the part that clearly said these would be suggestions and not forced
I stopped at the point that it indicated that at some point "until" you supported mandatory boosters. Your descriptions of when and when not and for whom, etc. are irrelevant.
At no point should they be mandatory.
And, again, are severity of symptoms a driver of the duration of a COVID spike duration?
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:15 pm to moneyg
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At no point should they be mandatory.
Does "requested" mean mandatory to you?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:16 pm to STEVED00
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So the solution is to require people to be continually injected with something we may not need. Surely there are tests that can prove what levels a person has. Shouldn’t it be an option for a person to seek out info on his immunity State prior to just being forced to take something that may not even help.
It used to be that avoiding
unnecessary medical procedures were one of the sacred core principals of medical doctors
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:16 pm to moneyg
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And, again, are severity of symptoms a driver of the duration of a COVID spike duration?
Read the first post on this page.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've stated on here for years that protesting is stupid, almost always inefficient, and rarely ever leads to positive results.
The anti-vaxxers haven't exactly made much progress in scaling back the regs with all of their protesting, so why do I think more will help?
Defeatist, much? I know for a fact that parent groups have made a difference at the local level in regards to restrictions in schools, because I've seen it firsthand.
But the larger point remains this: Using social acceptance as a justification for compliance only emboldens those who want to control others. You know at the most basic level that that's how freedom gets chipped away.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:20 pm to RidiculousHype
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But the larger point remains this: Using social acceptance as a justification for compliance only emboldens those who want to control others. You know at the most basic level that that's how freedom gets chipped away.
Until you remove the power from them to be able to do it, it doesn't matter. There will always be another Covid or ISIS or 911.
Until partisans want to remove power they use to check their political opponents, that power will be used against the population. It's all window dressing until the real issue is addressed.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Until you remove the power from them to be able to do it, it doesn't matter. There will always be another Covid or ISIS or 911.
Until partisans want to remove power they use to check their political opponents, that power will be used against the population. It's all window dressing until the real issue is addressed.
I guess the difference in how we think comes down to priorities. I refuse to do anything that gives the little nazis more power. That's my line in the sand. It's the right thing to do for my family, my neighbors, for society, and for future members of society.
I wish you realized that your way of thinking on this is a wet dream for the little nazis.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Does "requested" mean mandatory to you?
Does "mandatory" mean requested to you?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Read the first post on this page.
I read it. You didn't answer the question. We both know why. But your intellectually dishonest form of argument along with your hubris will not allow you to do that, will it.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:39 pm to RidiculousHype
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I refuse to do anything that gives the little nazis more power.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody has ever ignored T-cell immunity. The only myth was some believing that only natural infection and not vaccination induced this.
Lol. You can’t be fricking serious. Leftist filth are the most disingenuous people on earth. No one even comes close.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:14 pm to Robin Masters
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Lol. You can’t be fricking serious. Leftist filth are the most disingenuous people on earth. No one even comes close.
I saw that. I think Klarvin is on a holiday bender because the guy has posted utterly retarded shite for two straight days now.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:18 pm to Jbird
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...terror running through my body!
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:19 pm to Robin Masters
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Nobody has ever ignored T-cell immunity. The only myth was some believing that only natural infection and not vaccination induced this.
Lol. You can’t be fricking serious. Leftist filth are the most disingenuous people on earth. No one even comes close
If natural immunity were discussed as apart of the "return to normalcy" then why does the CDC (or anybody with Fed/State health departments) stress getting the booster?
Why should I, who was J&J vaxed + breakthrough delta with minimal symptoms, need to get a booster? (and probably will be forced by said government to get a booster to work or travel)
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:We should definately craft COVID policy to optimize SFP's social life. I think that's in the Constitution somewhere...
b. vaccination status has major social effects that are valuable to me
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