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re: Oklahoma teachers prepare to strike

Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:26 pm to
They did not raise property taxes because they can't. Property tax millage increases have to go to a vote for the taxpayers that live in that school district. The projections used to pay for a $6-8k raise will fall short of the revenue actually needed to pay for that raise. Then the legislature will have to raise gasoline taxes again or increase income taxes to make up the shortfall.
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:30 pm to
I’ll worry about the plight of teachers when they stop posting legs crossed by the pool pictures on FB starting mid May with a message about relaxing all Summer.

All told they work 4 months out of the year.



This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 9:31 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:40 pm to
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

Oklahoma teachers made an average salary of $45,276 in 2016

MF are overpaid

Teachers today are so worthless
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

They did not raise property taxes because they can't. Property tax millage increases have to go to a vote for the taxpayers that live in that school district. The projections used to pay for a $6-8k raise will fall short of the revenue actually needed to pay for that raise. Then the legislature will have to raise gasoline taxes again or increase income taxes to make up the shortfall.


This was house bill 1054 and it failed miserably last year. So they decided to bring it back under the cover of the teachers raises
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:01 pm to
Both houses passed an increase of gas and diesel tax and $1 per pack of cigarette tax and O&G tax etc to fund a $6-8k raise. The teachers don't think it's good enough because it doesn't include a hotel tax to ultimately pay got a $10k raise over 3 years. The $6-8k raises are an effective 15% pay raise and the revenue in the bills Doesn't support it.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:05 pm to
When those 15% raises are paid and there isn't adequate funds ti pay it, what do you think will happen?
Posted by wmr
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Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:23 pm to
How dependent is the Oklahoma economy on oil prices?

I know OKC can boom or bust like Houston.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 7:54 am to
quote:

remove Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, MLK, Mardi Gras, etc that most jobs give off


You think most jobs give their employees off for Mardi Gras and MLK? Plus 2 weeks for Christmas, 1 week for Spring break. And most schools have a Fall break now in addition to Thanksgiving.

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so I have 16 more off days than she does.


I think you’re being pretty liberal and generous with your comparison.

My brother and mother in law are both teachers (Alabama public schools).

Considering their summer break alone, I work at least 60 days more than either of them.

If your mom only works 16 days a year more than teachers, I’d like to know her specialty. I might need to reconsider my career
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Mardi Gras and MLK


Yeahhh we 100% do NOT get off Mardi Gras or MLK.

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Considering their summer break alone, I work at least 60 days more than either of them.


There are 53 Saturdays and 52 Sundays. My company provides 5 paid holidays in addition to that. I don’t take any vacation because I really can’t. If I’m out even a day my desk turns into a shitshow of epic proportions. And I have it good now. At my last job in this industry I had to work most weekends too in order to keep up (everyone in the office did) and once worked 28 straight days. My dad, who is 65, still works most Saturdays. I don’t think teachers realize this about private employment. The pay is better but you earn it with your life.

So, anyway, that’s 255 workdays for me now. If you do the math on teachers, with summer off, a week off at Thanksgiving, two weeks at Christmas, a week at Spring Break, plus tons of other days off for various BS bank holidays, they only work 174 days a year.

I work 81 more days a year than a teacher. And I’m pretty typical.

Teachers, divide your salary by number of days worked. Then do the same for other professions who work many, many more days. You’ll see that your per day pay is pretty damn good! You’re getting a good deal, so shut up and be happy!

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If your mom only works 16 days a year more than teachers, I’d like to know her specialty. I might need to reconsider my career


Seriously.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:45 am to
Mo money = Mo Hoggs
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:25 am to
I think if teachers want to make more money, they should choose a different path in college. They should not be teachers, they should do something else, and make more money.

Then, there will be no teachers, because they will have all taken our advice. They will earn more money because now they are "working" 12 months a year.

When there are no teachers, or not enough teachers, what will the plan be then?
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:32 am to
Privatization. Get tax dollars and the government out of education.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Then again instead of focusing solely on income, how would associated vacation time compare vs other fields?


Vacation time is comparable. Income is not. The idea that teachers only work while they are in the classroom is not accurate.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Privatization. Get tax dollars and the government out of education.


You think the private sector pays more money to teachers than the government does??

Have you seen private school salaries? With the possible exception of the 20K a year schools, private schools all pay less, not more.

And privatization doesn't get the tax dollars out of education... government just writes the checks to a different name.
Posted by Tigahs78732
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2018
221 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Why do public school teachers think we should keep giving money to schools? Year after year they produce the same dumb arse kids


After learning who really controls our public schools' curriculum, I am hating public education more and more every day.
Posted by Tigahs78732
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2018
221 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:42 am to
quote:

Because all the money goes to administratiors. They’re the most top-heavy organizations known to man. For every two teachers, there’s an administrator, either in their building or at the district office, doing nothing and making six figs.


Muh CEOs!!!
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10292 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:46 am to
That state retirement is great. Especially when you can retire in one state, move to another, teach for awhile, and then essentially draw retirement from two states.

Teachers obviously do get more time off than someone working in a corporate office somewhere, but it's not the teachers' fault the kids don't go to school year round. Many teachers do teach summer school courses and do other things during their downtime, so it isn't all relaxing by the pool.

Even during the school year, teachers often aren't given enough down time to grade papers and do lessen plans during school hours so they have takehome work that most 8-5 jobs don't have.

Even with all that aside, putting up with all the government bureaucracy and overreach in education as well as bratty kids is a lot to ask for $40,000 a year where the teacher is solely responsible for shaping the next generation of US citizens that will one day carry the torch for the entire nation.

The best and brightest aren't going to put up with that for such a paltry salary with little room for advancement.
Posted by Tigahs78732
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2018
221 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:47 am to
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yea that will do it. school lunches are some of these kids' only meals. you plan sounds like shite.


Maybe the parents should...I don't know...take care of their own kids or don't have kids if they can't take care of them?

You do realize if the government stopped giving out welfare, they would probably think twice about having kids they can't care for.

Oh...but then that would take away from the Liberals' voting base...so that won't happen.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Even during the school year, teachers often aren't given enough down time to grade papers and do lessen plans during school hours so they have takehome work that most 8-5 jobs don't have.


Every weekend, I spend several hours working on billing, reading up on technical issues, dealing with administrative issues, etc, in my professional career.

Every weekend, my teacher wife spends several hours grading papers and essays, entering lesson plans into the tracking software, reading up on new teaching methods and techniques, etc.
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