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re: Oklahoma Governor Commutes Julius Jones's Death Sentence Hours Before Execution
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:32 pm to stout
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:32 pm to stout
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Watch this and you will change your mind
Well, I watched it despite having to wait 4 minutes before he ever even began talking about the case. The fact remains that the only person who saw the shooter stated under oath that she couldn’t see his face - and described a generic black guy, with a stocking cap & red bandana. The video condescendingly repeating Julius Jones’ name over and over, or going on about whether or not she saw “corn roles” (sic) doesn’t change that.
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:36 pm to joeymg90
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The man, Julius Jones, was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death in 2002. He was accused of killing Paul Howell, who was in a car in the driveway of his parents’ home when he was carjacked and fatally shot in 1999.
How the frick is this dude convicted in 2002 and still alive 20 years later. And people think our system is cruel? Even when you are sentenced to death you get to live most of your life.
This country is a joke. Our problem isn’t that the system Is too harsh.
How is this supposed to be a deterrent to violent criminals 20 years after the fact?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:39 pm to Pettifogger
quote:I couldn't care less about rehab following a capitol offense. That is all repentance for next life meet St Pete stuff. The only thing I care about with Death Penalty cases is absolute proof of guilt, and prosecutorial integrity. Sans those, I'm opposed.
I'm alright with this, not because I believe the death penalty is immoral, but because I don't really trust governments to implement it and I think killing someone 20 or 30 or 40 years after the incident means we're often killing a completely different person.
I also think prosecutorial behavior such as we've seen in the Rittenhouse trial should come with heavy penalty, up to disbarment and jailtime.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Thank God he is alive 20 years later because it seems to me that he didn't do it.
That's why I am against the DP. If a mistake is uncovered later then you can't correct.
And life in Prison is no walk in the park.
That's why I am against the DP. If a mistake is uncovered later then you can't correct.
And life in Prison is no walk in the park.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:58 pm to Eurocat
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Thank God he is alive 20 years later because it seems to me that he didn't do it.
Supposedly the victims daughter says she watched Jones walk up and shoot her dad in the head. Witnesses say the shooter was wearing a red bandana. The murder weapon was found in Jones' home, wrapped in a red bandanna which had Jones' and only Jones' DNA on it. Jones' DNA was on the scene.
Jones also stated that his friend who his defenders are now accusing of committing the crime, was at Jones' house with him all night. So according to Jones, neither of them could have possibly committed the crime, but the murder weapon flew itself into his house and hid itself.
You would believe a story like that.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:02 pm to joeymg90
Pretty fricked up.
I remember when this happened. I went to school with a bunch of Paul Howell’s (the victim) nieces and nephews. They are a great family and deserved to have this saga end forever.
I remember when this happened. I went to school with a bunch of Paul Howell’s (the victim) nieces and nephews. They are a great family and deserved to have this saga end forever.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:07 pm to Pettifogger
quote:This is the problem with our justice system, IMO: it doesn't care so much about justice as it does about corrections and rehabilitation.
I'm alright with this, not because I believe the death penalty is immoral, but because I don't really trust governments to implement it and I think killing someone 20 or 30 or 40 years after the incident means we're often killing a completely different person.
If a teenager smashes your car to bits, incurring thousands of dollars of damages, do you think it would be fair to you for the kids' parents to say that they will deal with that grounding him and teaching him not to smash cars in the future? Sure that might work to prevent other cars from being smashed, but that isn't justice for what the kid did to your car.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:07 pm to Eurocat
Julius Jones Trial Transcripts
If anyone is so inclined, go read this before making an uninformed decision about this case.
If anyone is so inclined, go read this before making an uninformed decision about this case.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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This country is a joke. Our problem isn’t that the system Is too harsh.
How is this supposed to be a deterrent to violent criminals 20 years after the fact?
There is no deterrent for the people committing these crimes. You're exactly right, the system isn't harsh enough and I'm tired of pretending that it should be anything but cruelly punitive in cases like (and worse than) this one.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:06 pm to cajunangelle
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tainted by racial discrimination.
The world is tainted by the accusations of racial discrimination.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:22 pm to Tuscaloosa
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despite having to wait 4 minutes before he ever even began talking about the case
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:36 pm to joeymg90
din du nuffin
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:39 pm to Eurocat
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And life in Prison is no walk in the park.
No, but it is an extremely heavy burden on taxpayers.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:43 pm to cajunangelle
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"After prayerful consideration and reviewing materials presented by all sides of this case, I have determined to commute Julius Jones' sentence to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole," Stitt said in a statement.
So is he guilty or not?
If he’s guilty he should be dead
If he’s not guilty it’s unforgivable that he be locked up
What a pussy decision by the governor
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:28 pm to WaWaWeeWa
We’ve got a lot of small government conservatives around here that get off on the state killing its citizens.
Bizarre, really.
Bizarre, really.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:32 pm to Tuscaloosa
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We’ve got a lot of small government conservatives around here that get off on the state killing its citizens.
Bizarre, really.
Tell that to the family a-hole. I don’t care if he lives or not, won’t impact me but the evidence is overwhelming. Put that in your social justice pipe and smoke it.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:38 pm to troyt37
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You would believe a story like that.
Sad thing is the amount of idiots that believe it because it’s been parroted over and over and it’s in the media so it must be true.
So science says he’s guilty. So why deny science now libs??
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:40 pm to dsides
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but the evidence is overwhelming.
Not really. We have an eye witness who never saw a face, and a weapon found on the property that his defense team contends was planted by the other individuals involved - which is at least plausible.
I have no idea whether or not he’s guilty or not, but to put someone to death for a crime - the state should have a much higher burden of proof.
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dsides
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