re: Ohio’s version of “school choice” just underwent its first major study: Here are results

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If it's the former, I don't understand why you're rolling into this thread acting as you are.

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How am I acting?

Standardized test scores are used to “grade” the quality of education provided by teachers and schools starting in third grade in Louisiana. When selecting an elementary school for my kids, whether or not kids who attended an elementary school went to college never even crossed my mind.

For elementary school? Standardized test scores over college graduation. College graduation tells you nothing about the present-day quality of education at an elementary or middle school.

But choosing college isn’t a good unless seeking something like medical & engineering.

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What's more important to a child's future? One of their 10th grade social studies test scores or graduation college?


Hrm...

Uh....

That's a tough one...

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Uh emmm, Id say their test scores in high school. You see, umm errr, if you go to a private school you get FAAARRRR better counseling on attending college, schollys available, particularly for minorities, where as public counselors are more concerned with the next teachers rally for the union.

So these kids could be more poorly schooled and simply the fact they went to a private school their likelihood of attending college increased.

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If we’re disregarding state test scores to celebrate college attendance

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cubbies, sometimes when the basis of an argument doesn't make sense, it's because those providing the argument don't intend for it to make sense.

In this instance we are addressing a cadre of students who transferred from the worst performing 20% of public schools. Let's remove your angst/bias regarding private/parochial schools from the equation. If a students electively switched educational venues from a bottom 20% performing public school to a top 20% public school, and you were told the result was poorer test scores, would you not immediately find that claim to be dubious?

Wouldn't you at least question methodology and derivation of the numbers?
Wouldn't you at least look into it?

How would one normally analyze performance deltas in cases like this?
It's simple really. Normally one would just track individual performance vs the statewide cohort over a timeframe on the same tests which were originally determinative of the individual's transfer qualification.

But that is not what was done in this case, is it?
As such, the question you should ask is "why?"
Why were individuals not simply tracked on the same statewide percentile basis by which they were originally evaluated?

Unless one is attempting to squirrel the results, there is no need for a study comprised of statistical ministrations used to create supposedly equivalent cohorts which are then extrapolated to have supposed comparative meaning. The voucher kids had an established performance history vs a statewide database before and after transfer. Where is it?

Secondly, the testing you reference is specifically tied to public school teaching.

E.g., Here is an actual public school common core question & answer:
"Use repeated addition to solve 5 x 3"
The student's answer of "5 + 5 + 5" was deemed incorrect.
The "correct" answer was stated as 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3.

I don't know the particular state involved in that example, however, if the public system was teaching kids to ignore the commutative property of multiplication in new math numbersticks, and the state testing in question was conducted to that end, one would expect to see selectively enhanced public school results on that basis. Same for gender and minority-based history with civics de-emphasis, climate change fairy tales taught under the guise of science, etc. In fact, the Ohio testing in question was specifically designed by the Ohio public school system to test performance based solely on the Ohio public school system curriculum.

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disregarding state test scores to celebrate college attendance

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What is the ultimate result the program was attempting to attain ... improved K-12 test state scores, or better higher education participation/performance?

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So you are taking kids who already have the motivation from home to do better, they just needed to be moved from Martin Luther King Jr/ Rosa Parks high school to a better environment high school.

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If you take kids and put them in more conducive educational environments, they learn better. Correct.

That doesn’t mean there’s anything flawed with the idea of school choice. It, in fact, highlights the need for school choice.

Dems oppose this because if youth are educated and really learning then they will keep breaking to the right.

Right now the large youth movement to the right is fueled by counter culture to pathet liberal parents

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I’m not mad at all. I already know school vouchers don’t improve education from the many, many, many studies across many states that have been done since the advent of school vouchers.

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If you limit the data to studies that agree with you, this is indeed what you will find.

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That doesn’t mean there’s anything flawed with the idea of school choice. It, in fact, highlights the need for school choice.

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I agree Bass, thats why I said there was no need for this "survey" its common sense a kid will do better.