re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Yesterday it was days. The concept of time regarding this is meaningless

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Seems like a very limited agreement if that's all there is to it.

Initial, unofficial, framework of a memorandum of understanding.

Promising!

Got to be more to it than that. No way we agree to things just going back to the way things were before we started bombing

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MILITARY FORCES WILL WITHDRAW FROM VICINITY OF IRAN AND LIFT NAVAL BLOCKADE

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After signing sure. Until then, you remain choked.

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Trump is in a real bind now with Iran because he is correctly trying to tie the GCC under the Abraham accords as part of the Iran negotiations, as it will enable the US to leave the middle east and retain hegemony over the region.

However because of the ceasefire and lack of commitment to destroying the Iranian regime, the Arab world sees that as weakness and so they are hedging. Trump is trying to strongarm them into joining the coalition, however he is doing so from a position of weakness in their eyes. Ceasefires in the middle east are not a thing, they don't understand the concept and just see it as weakness.

The Arab countries see their core infrastructure, like water and oil production being vulnerable to Iranian attack, while they see Israel and the US not hurting the regime properly. They see how they have conducted the war as weakness, by not killing the families, not hitting infrastructure and the core regime targets. Because of this they don't believe the coalition is going to end Iran, and so instead they're forced to plan for if the regime survives, so they're hedging now.

They hate Iran and want the regime gone, they are the most vulnerable to their predatory actions and they are most at risk. But they cannot take no oil exports forever, they're willing to take pain but not indefinitely and they'll make a deal with Iran before this. They are not in the business of jeopardising their own power domestically.

Because of this, Trump is struggling to strong arm them under the US block because they aren't convinced the US will remove Iran. Remember they have paid huge money to the US and Trump in order for this to occur and the protection of the US empire. If the regime survives and the US fails to remove them, they will punish the US by ending or not following through with the trillions they have been forced to pay for this operation. Don't listen to the isolationists, the US is benefiting huge from this war. But Trump can't negotiate with the Arabs from his current position during a ceasefire, because they see this as weakness and they don't believe in signing onto weakness. This is the middle east and weakness is immediately punished.

They're very upset because they're now forced to hedge with Iran, and no amount of strong arming is going to make them join unless they believe Trump is going to finish the operation, which they now dont believe will occur.

The only way out of the bind is to continue the kinetic operation, but they don't want this because they don't think the US/Israel coalition is going to hurt the Iranians enough, and they fear retaliation on their critical infrastructure which is getting more difficult to defend.

Which is why the negotiations seem difficult and are being dragged out, because Trump and the gulf are now in a difficult bind.

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But Trump can't negotiate with the Arabs from his current position during a ceasefire, because they see this as weakness and they don't believe in signing onto weakness. This is the middle east and weakness is immediately punished.

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Put another way, Trump has lost his nerve.
We need to unleash Israel and start blowing up bridges and power plants. What happened to "a civilization is going to end tonight'?

The ending of a civilization that was created by an terrorist regime in warranted in order to allow a free and prosperous civilization to exist.

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We need to unleash Israel

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They appear to have their hands full now that Hezbollah has discovered drone warfare.