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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:33 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:33 pm to MrLSU
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Iran commits to never build nuclear weapons
Iran doesn’t need nukes. They have the SoH which is a more powerful card that can impact the global economy. If you gave Iran a choice of having nukes or the control of SoH, they’d take SoH every day of the week.
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Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Slowjerkoffpro putting in that work!
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:36 pm to Jbird
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Slowjerkoffpro putting in that work
You're not taking this well. Imagine cheering for more death.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:37 pm to Schleynole
You aren't very bright.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:43 pm to Jbird
Id rather be dumb and enjoy peace.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 4:44 pm to Schleynole
Lol clown continues on.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:16 pm to PeteRose
quote:Wrong
Iran doesn’t need nukes. They have the SoH which is a more powerful card that can impact the global economy. If you gave Iran a choice of having nukes or the control of SoH, they’d take SoH every day of the week.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:19 pm to MrLSU
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If the final deal is implemented
Maybe highlight this part.
Seems there are some rules to getting to the end goal for Iran.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:29 pm to Tigerstark
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Something changed or spooked Trump. Threat on family? Not being able to stop drones and the regional partners threatened to pull out?
Key to that answer has been sitting across from Trump most of the day at the G7 Summit, the Emir of Qatar. They have been talking about investing about 1.2 Trillion USD into the USA....
The Qatari Team spent several hours in Iran leading up to the MOU was announced and the fighting stopped (ish). I'm sure that amount of money came up during negotiations and threats were made by Qatar to call off the deal. Qatar has ties to Iran and they also offer safe harbor to Hezbollah and Hamas leaders....The war was threatening their bottom dollar on the terror side so they pulled their ace and that was threatening to cancel their 1.2 Trillion dollar investment.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened here. Qatar is a duplicitous nation that can't be trusted and they wanted the fighting to stop because they have their toes dipped in both ends of the pool.
On one end they are courting Western nations for money and protection, and on the other end they are one of the largest state sponsors of terror in the world and give safe haven to several terrorist leaders of various factions.
Trump didn't want to lose those investment dollars so he caved to their threats IMO, despite the fact that most of the money they put into our country is used to undermine our society and institutions, just like the funds the UAE and SA invest in the USA...
Just like most politicians, Trump took the short term gain despite the long term ramifications. It's not hard to figure out at the end of the day. Trump chose a large "investment" over finishing the fight properly.
When dealing with filthy muzzies, expect filthy muzzie bullshite, and that is exactly what happened here. That's why Kushner and Witkoff were always on the peace side of things, they had skin in the money game due to their ties with Qatar and didn't want to lose out on their pay day. They did the bidding of their money masters and got in Trumps ears and head and got him to take their way out.
I'll get blasted for that take but IDGAF, that is what happened and in 50 years when all the major players are dead is when the truth will come out on what happened. Qatar and their dirty money will be at the center of it.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:35 pm to Bronco11
We just declared victory and got out.
One way to do it.
One way to do it.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
More than $150 billion of the fund has already been committed, directly contradicting Trump's claims that the US would not contribute to the $300 billion fund, per Reuters.
"Holy frick, dude"
quote:
DUBAI, June 16 (Reuters) - A $300 billion private fund designed to trigger investment into Iran is outlined in the U.S.-Iran framework agreement and more than half that sum has already been committed, a source with direct knowledge of the deal told Reuters.
The new fund is a private investment vehicle, not a reconstruction or reparations program and will not include any government money or grants, the source said, adding that companies based in the U.S., the Gulf Arab states, Asia, South America and Africa have agreed to commit financing.
A White House spokeswoman pointed to a CBS interview with Vice President JD Vance on Monday in which he said that Iran could gain access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund backed by Gulf states if it complies with an agreement with Washington, including dismantling its nuclear programme, eliminating its stockpile of enriched material, and accepting a stringent inspection and enforcement regime.
So Reuters says that half the $300B Trump announced yesterday has been committed. Trump also said yesterday that disbursement of the funds would be dependent on Iran meeting guidelines. There is no contradiction, direct or otherwise, of Trump's statement that the US would not contribute to the $300 billion fund. The Reuters article doesn't say or imply that. Did I miss the big gotcha somewhere?
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 5:40 pm to CUSTER
It's been the pattern of the Trump administrations:
Obamacare repeal
Infrastructure
North Korea
Covid
Doge
Tariffs
ICE in Minnesota
and now Iran. It's all been half-assed. He commits then when it gets hard he either loses attention or capitulates.
Obamacare repeal
Infrastructure
North Korea
Covid
Doge
Tariffs
ICE in Minnesota
and now Iran. It's all been half-assed. He commits then when it gets hard he either loses attention or capitulates.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:02 pm to BayouBengal51
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“The Iranians, Pakistanis and Qataris asked us to sequence this in the right way…”
Wow, Qatar and Pakistan determine what our leaders can say now.....
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:04 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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he either loses attention or capitulates.
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Covid
I assume you would've loved for Trump to ignore the entrenched medical bureaucracy which was insisting he had to shut the economy down for the rest of his term, and which intimidated and drowned out any dissenting voices (using the power of the corrupt MSM). If he'd done that, now you'd be blaming him for the "deaths of millions"
quote:
Doge
Tariffs
I assume you would've loved for Trump to ignore the legion of leftist Democrat appointed judges, and the supreme court, who blocked DOGE's discovery process and their recommendations at every turn, or who suddenly decided after 100 years that the president is no longer is in charge of trade tariffs. If he'd done that, now you'd be calling for a violent insurrection to overthrow the dictator (or maybe you are anyway, since the assassination attempts haven't worked).
quote:
ICE in Minnesota
I assume you would've loved for Trump to call in the national guard and wage all out war with violent trained thugs on the streets of Minneapolis, almost certainly resulting in more deaths. If he'd done that..., see above, more of the same. Instead, he put them on the backburner for now, but he's moved on to other places that need ICE enforcement too. And since the Democrats blocked ICE funding for several months, ICE doesn't have the bandwidth to fight lawless leftists in multiple places at the same time, and I suspect you love that too.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:06 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:27 pm to Jbird
quote:
You aren't very bright.
Florida State isn't sending us their best. They're sending us the ones with problems.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:28 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:42 pm to BayouBengal51
I’m still wondering what the citizens of Iran think of any deal? Early on we were telling them to hunker down and wait for the sign. Now I hear nothing about them. If this deal leaves the remaining regime in power, where is there victory. My neighbors are Iranian. Been her 50 years. Their family still living there is hungry, little money on hand, and in limbo.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:46 pm to wdhalgren
This is mostly excuse-making dressed up as counterargument. You’re answering a criticism of execution by pretending the only alternative was lawless maximalism.
There is massive space between “blindly follow every entrenched public health official” and “let millions die.” Trump chose the people around him. He chose the messaging. He chose the posture. He elevated Fauci and Birx, held the briefings, endorsed the shutdown logic, then later tried to act like the whole thing just happened to poor little him. Your defense is that Trump was just helpless in his own administration?
Same dodge. If the answer is “judges blocked him,” then the obvious question is whether he had a serious legal strategy before announcing the policy. If every major promise depends on courts, Congress, agencies, staffing, and execution, then competence means anticipating and compensating for those obstacles. “He would have done it but the system resisted” is not a defense. Especially when that was actually the criticism.
Nobody but you suggested the only alternative was sending in the National Guard and creating a bloodbath. That’s a fake binary of your singular creation. The point is that he talks like he controls the executive branch, then when enforcement gets complicated, suddenly he’s essentially a spectator blaming Democrats, judges, funding, mayors, media, or whoever else is convenient.
So which is it?
Is Trump the guy uniquely capable of breaking through the bureaucracy, courts, media, and political establishment?
Or is he helpless the second those forces oppose him?
"He got blocked every time” does not refute the point when "he got blocked every time" is the indictment.
quote:
I assume you would've loved for Trump to ignore the entrenched medical bureaucracy which was insisting he had to shut the economy down for the rest of his term, and which intimidated and drowned out any dissenting voices (using the power of the corrupt MSM). If he'd done that, now you'd be blaming him for the "deaths of millions"
There is massive space between “blindly follow every entrenched public health official” and “let millions die.” Trump chose the people around him. He chose the messaging. He chose the posture. He elevated Fauci and Birx, held the briefings, endorsed the shutdown logic, then later tried to act like the whole thing just happened to poor little him. Your defense is that Trump was just helpless in his own administration?
quote:
assume you would've loved for Trump to ignore the legion of leftist Democrat appointed judges, and the supreme court, who blocked DOGE and their recommendations at every turn, or who suddenly decided after 100 years that the president is no longer is in charge of trade tariffs. If he'd done that, now you'd be calling for a violent insurrection to overthrow the dictator (or maybe you are anyway, since the assassination attempts haven't worked).
Same dodge. If the answer is “judges blocked him,” then the obvious question is whether he had a serious legal strategy before announcing the policy. If every major promise depends on courts, Congress, agencies, staffing, and execution, then competence means anticipating and compensating for those obstacles. “He would have done it but the system resisted” is not a defense. Especially when that was actually the criticism.
quote:
I assume you would've loved for Trump to call in the national guard and wage all out war with violent trained thugs on the streets of Minneapolis, almost certainly resulting in more deaths. If he'd done that..., see above, more of the same. Instead, he put them on the backburner for now, but he's moved on to other places that need ICE enforcement too. And since the Democrats blocked ICE funding for several months, ICE doesn't have the bandwidth to fight lawless leftists in multiple places at the same time.
Nobody but you suggested the only alternative was sending in the National Guard and creating a bloodbath. That’s a fake binary of your singular creation. The point is that he talks like he controls the executive branch, then when enforcement gets complicated, suddenly he’s essentially a spectator blaming Democrats, judges, funding, mayors, media, or whoever else is convenient.
So which is it?
Is Trump the guy uniquely capable of breaking through the bureaucracy, courts, media, and political establishment?
Or is he helpless the second those forces oppose him?
"He got blocked every time” does not refute the point when "he got blocked every time" is the indictment.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 6:49 pm to northshorebamaman
Trump knows Iran will not abide by the deal. He just wants to get through the midterms and retain control over Congress. After that, he will be ready to destroy the IRGC and take over Cuba. 
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