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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/1/26 at 8:42 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 6/1/26 at 8:42 am to Auburn1968
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I suspect that Trump is holding out for a civil war among the Iranian factions.
Hillary was able to do that in Libya by providing air support to various selected factions. The down side of that was Hillary selecting factions worse than Gadhafi.
Trump and Israel won't make that kind of mistake if indeed that's what's going on
There's a huge difference between a theocracy and an autocracy. Religion, especially in its most extreme forms, muddies the water when it comes to control of the military and people.
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 8:56 am to Auburn1968
quote:This would be historically horrible, not to mention categorically evil.
I suspect that Trump is holding out for a civil war among the Iranian factions.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/1/26 at 8:56 am to AUveritas
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Religion, especially in its most extreme forms, muddies the water when it comes to control of the military and people.
A lot of people still don't realize that the IRGC does not exist to protect Iran. It exists to protect the Islamic Republic itself. It's purpose is to keep the regime intact, in power and to stomp out any resistance to the regime. When the SHTF, its only goal is to make sure that the Mullahs retain power and that the Islamic Revolution continues.
The artesh, is supposed to be for the national defense of the country, but the IRGC has placed leaders in it at every level to make sure it does not try to turn against the regime.
Both organizations supposedly operate separately and even have their own independent air force units. Earlier this year when some F-4's were shot down internally during training exercises, they were Iranian Air Force jets that were shot down by the IRGC Aeroforce. That is how segregated they are at times. IRGC shot those jets down because either they viewed them as a threat or IAF pissed off someone in the IRGC command structure.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:13 am to BayouBengal51
Need to stop going through these intermediaries. I despise this structure in negotiations. Deal directly.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:17 am to Auburn1968
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Like Hillary, Obama and the idiots in their camp supported Arab Spring.
They didn't support the Arab Spring, they created it
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:24 am to Rainier Fog
So now the deal is fricked because of Israel?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:27 am to JackaReaux
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So now the deal is fricked because of Israel?
No, it's because during the entire ceasefire, Hezbollah has refused to quit attacking Israel via rockets and mortar attacks. Israel finally got tired of it and went back to leveling targets again with extreme prejudice.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:28 am to JackaReaux
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So now the deal is fricked because of Israel?
The deal is fricked because we are trying to deal with a suicidal religious fanatic that only knows one deal, death or staying alive.
Kill them all. Wait and see who pops up next. Present their formal surrender document and say sign or die.
Repeat.
These kind of people can only be treated in the way of the mongols.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:33 am to BayouBengal51
Back to the drawing board I guess as we enter week 10 of the war that as of March 9th was "very complete, pretty much."
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:33 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:35 am to BayouBengal51
A good X post touching on how the two military organizations operate separately in Iran, in regards to Iranian naval organization.
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Iran has 2 navies.
Its conventional navy, built around larger warships such as the Makran, Dana, Shahid Bagheri, Shahid Soleimani, Shahid Sayyad Shirazi, and many more have either been completely destroyed or heavily damaged.
Its second navy, the IRGC (fast boat) Navy, is built around fast attack boats, drones, mines, and anti ship missiles. That force, estimated at over 1,000 boats before the war, appears to remain largely intact.
When President Trump says Iran has ‘no navy,’ he is referring to the conventional fleet. The IRGC swarm fleet is a different story.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:36 am to Rainier Fog
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They didn't support the Arab Spring, they created it
The Arab Spring started in Tunisia and was actually a blood feud between the ruler and the Mellouli family. It was run from the offices of Maher Mellouli in Petit Cannet, France. He was a biz partner of a Belgian friend doing business with Qaddafi Their company was Sea Land Air, registered in Malta.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:39 am to Bronco11
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There's nothing to spin if Iran keeps their uranium.
Not just that, there is nothing to spin as long as the mullahs and IRGC are still in control.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:50 am to Fuzzy Dunlop
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Back to the drawing board I guess as we enter week 10 of the war that as of March 9th was "very complete, pretty much."
You'll get over it
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:54 am to Rainier Fog
Haven’t seen this from other outlets yet, so take it for what it’s worth.
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:00 am to BayouBengal51
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Footage has been released of a group of Iranian gunboats patrolling the strait of Hormuz by Iran these are the same type of boats involved in shooting at tankers and US warships.
That has to be file footage. Otherwise, our military should be sinking each and every one of them.
If we aren't doing that, then why do we have so much firepower over there?
There is absolutely no reason why the Iranians should be able to film a video like that unless it is old.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:04 am to dinner roll
Well the drop in gas prices was good for the 4 days it happened. Guess that’s over with.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:09 am to dinner roll
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Iran ends negotiations with US and vows to 'completely' block the Strait of Hormuz, CNBC reports.
How many times have we heard this in the past 3 months?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:10 am to JackaReaux
There was never going to be a deal to get fricked 
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:13 am to CitizenK
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The Arab Spring started in Tunisia
That's all fine and dandy, what became known as the Arab Spring was created by the Obama Administration through the CIA and its now well known USAID wing
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