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re: Office Of Naval Intelligence Warns Military Retirees To Not Disrespect The Biden Admin

Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:32 pm to
The email states it applies to citizens as well, not just current employees. Did he send an email to retired members as well in 2020?
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
23896 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:35 pm to
Uhmmmm...where were these scumbag motherf*ckers when John Kerry was going all over the world committing treason and disrespecting Trump to every foreign leader who would give him the time of day?
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:35 pm to
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The email states it applies to citizens as well, not just current employees. Did he send an email to retired members as well in 2020?


If you receive any sort of pension it technically applies. Good luck getting any command to prosecute it though.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69647 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:38 pm to
Dude...I can't remember every freaking e-mail he sent out. I just remember receiving training as well as e-mails concerning political protest while in uniform to include open contempt for the Commander-in-Chief and other high ranking government officials.

I serve in the United States military and thus am under the overall command of the President of the United States. The president happens to be someone I am politically opposed to. However, be that as it may, when I am wearing the uniform I treat him and the orders he gives me with respect, so long as they are valid and lawful ones.

I miss Trump, I don't like Biden, but I am not going to bad mouth or slander him. In fact...I had a talk today with my sailors this morning at quarters about that very thing. I told them that emotions are running high right now but to watch what they say on social media because people are watching.

Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22898 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:46 pm to
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I miss Trump, I don't like Biden, but I am not going to bad mouth or slander him. In fact...I had a talk today with my sailors this morning at quarters about that very thing. I told them that emotions are running high right now but to watch what they say on social media because people are watching.

Good advice. They need alters.
Posted by Mellow Drama
Making Groceries
Member since Aug 2020
4656 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

Even for civilians, you are reminded of the danger that your public comments will/could be attributed to ONI or the Department of Defense. While you are entitled to your opinion and to share your opinion amongst those you know and trust, being too vocal in criticism of, say, the President or members of the military and civilian leadership may reflect poorly on ONI. It is important to share your opinions, if you choose to do so, in a professional manner that does not call into question your employment, the Department of Defense, or the federal government as a whole.



So it's OK for retired CIA bigwigs to retweet a meme likening Trump supporters to an "American Taliban?"

Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
50810 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

That's scary
I just had to explain to my wife, who asked me, "why are there no mass protests demanding Biden step down?" When I was done explaining what's been happening, she said, "Oh my God, this sounds like the Nazi Gestapo's intimidation tactics in Germany. Why has't the news been telling me? "

Me - "Exactly. They are complicit and close to pushing it to fascist extreme, as the government is currently doing everything it can to force no dissent and force group think onto everyone and then those who aren't in lockstep are going to pay for it."

Going home to Louisiana next week. Taking the firearms I've been stashing with my family and moving them closer to home where I may need them. I have a few here. Just want to feel a little more beefed up if necessary and things fall apart suddenly.
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 6:02 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26899 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

I just remember receiving training as well as e-mails concerning political protest while in uniform to include open contempt for the Commander-in-Chief and other high ranking government officials.


I agree, those are pretty common during election cycles. However, I have personally never seen civilians specifically called out and threatened with losing their job. That’s a new one for me.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15066 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:15 pm to
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So as a military retiree, I’m now expected to not criticize or disrespect Biden and his administration on social media???


I wouldn’t put it past this administration to cut off your retirement pay.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14881 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:23 pm to
Danny Noles seems like a little bitch. Tell your ONI boyfriend to kiss my arse.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Charlie Kirk's America
Member since Nov 2007
14538 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:38 pm to
Did they send anything like this out when 60 retired military brass stuck their feet up Trumps arse in a signed letter?
frick that noise.
Posted by homesicktiger
High altitude hell
Member since Oct 2004
1546 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:44 pm to
quote:


You would be incorrect. I'm currently assigned to ONI and he was relieved by Captain Danny Noles last year. Alabama boy and my former CO. He's just re-stating what has been official DOD policy for a minute.


Then Danny needs to update his fricking website instead of threatening US citizens and military personnel.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57891 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:55 pm to
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per a Uniform Code of Military Justice and Department of Defense Directive clause they cannot disrespect senior government leadership. This includes the President, Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, and more.


I did not realize you permanently gave up your First Amendment rights when you enlisted.

Also, calling a shitfricking failure "a shitfricking failure" is only disrespectful if you're biased enough to believe the shitfricking failure deserves respect.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11789 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 7:43 pm to
Welp I just read the thread about the RINO saying not to criticize Biden now this. We're well on our way to Pyongyang
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69647 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 7:52 pm to
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Then Danny needs to update his fricking website instead of threatening US citizens and military personnel.



Captain Noles works for Admiral Copley, who works for DNI, who works for POTUS. Just because he sent out the e-mail doesn’t necessarily means he supports it 100%. We serve in the Armed Forces and obey the orders of our superiors even if we don’t necessarily agree with them.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14881 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:03 pm to
I think they call this the Nuremberg defense. Fits since Noles sounds like a good little Nazi.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:28 pm to
Reading the full message again, my response to the ONI's Chief of Staff would be very simple:

"With all due respect, you are deliberately misrepresenting both Article 88 and DoD Directive 1344.10.

Article 88 reads as follows: Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Note that this does NOT protect individual Senators or Congressional Representatives that are not in the district/state of the servicemember's home of record or duty station.

For example, I can tell Nancy Pelosi to frick off but not Marilyn Strickland. I can say Chuck Schumer is Woody Allen if he was a sick pedophile but I can't say the same about Maria Cantwell.

Legitimate criticism is not CONTEMPTUOUS just because your feelings got hurt and you can't accept being told that you messed up and how you messed up. Furthermore, you cannot show me in Article 88 where any cabinet officials besides the Secretary of Defense, the Service Secretaries or the Secretary of Homeland Security (which only applies in the case of the Coast Guard) are named in the Article.

Furthermore, it is unreasonable to assume that criticizing an officer for doing something which brings dishonor and shame onto the service is a violation of Article 89.

I would direct your attention to Larrabee vs. Braithwaite, which, while under appeal, establishes that retirees cannot be court martialed for actions done after retirement.

In regards to your attempt to use DoD Directive 1344.10 as a weapon against civilian employees, that directive solely applies to political campaigns.

Under your stupid threat, current Senators and Congressional Representatives that are retired military would be prosecuted for criticizing the administration.

YOUR THREATS CONSTITUTE VIOLATIONS OF ARTICLE 95 AS THEY REPRESENT ATTEMPTS TO PUNISH ELECTED OFFICIALS."
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 11:51 pm
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:29 pm to
It's called a DD-214.

It's shields retirees and other vets from this kind of bullshite.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3972 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:34 pm to
You can’t blatantly steal elections either, but they did it. All rules are off.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3972 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:39 pm to
Apparently there’s dissension in the ranks. Awareness is the key. Spread the word.
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