re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

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Has anyone posted a study that looks at gun violence vs socioeconomic status?

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If you'd like to propose a UBI for everyone to raise their SES and reduce violence, go wild man.

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I'm starting to think Chicken might pay you to post BS on here to drive up traffic.

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I don't get ban warnings in these threads anymore, so who knows.

(jinx)

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Also, perusing my local gun store's website the AR-15s models are listed between $1400-1500, and the mini-14 around $900. If you think they're identical, clearly you should talk to gun store operators.

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When your point is "it should be a civilian weapon" it's absolutely a point.

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When you can not define what functionality makes it unsuitable for civilian possession—you have NO argument.

And you have yet to indenting you any such functionality despite being asked multiple times by multiple people.

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You think a weapon developed solely for the military is somehow civilian?

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Educate me. What functions make it unsuitable for civilian ownership. List them. Specifically.

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There has not, however, been a corresponding global reduction in gun crime in the US with respect to the rest of the world.

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So how does the US's violent crime rate compare to other countries?

The US ranks 25th in firearm homicide rate.

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Fewer deaths by firearms. What's your definition of success for inaction on gun law?

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We have fewer than we had 30 years ago. You aren't satisfied.

So. "Fewer" isn't an answer. Try again.

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Again, I'm not advocating that someone burst into every house and grab your personal guns

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I made no presuppositions regarding what you advocate.

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Do you assign any value to lives being lost to gun violence

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Yes.

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and if so, why a lesser value than someone owning a gun?

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That's not how weighing things work.

For example. I assign value to saving lives on the highway. And, I assign value to efficient transportation of people and goods. If both of those weren't true I would either advocate for highway speed limits of 25mph or, I would advocate that we all get cars that can do Formula 1 speeds with no speed limits.

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Fewer deaths. Fewer injuries would be a good secondary outcome, and better mental health care treatment a great tertiary one provided that's part of the package.

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Again. We already achieved this in the last 30 years.

Yet. Here we are.

If you can't define success, then people like me know that you will simply claim failure again if the number isn't zero.

I think you understand that which is why you're holding on to the word fewer.

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Then you have to look at the inner cities...

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And to deal with the problem of the inner cities, you have to look at the entire country, since that's where they get the guns in the inner cities.

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You have a really hard time grasping the difference in full auto and semi-auto guns and how they operate differently from each other.

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Remind me, did a full auto or semi-auto gun kill 17 people in Florida last month in a matter of minutes?

That's what I thought.

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It killed 17 people in a matter of minutes and has no relevant civilian use.

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Thats not unique to he AR-15. Try again.

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All the teachers in the world given all the time since creation can't educate you on this - you've chosen to ignore data for emotion, all because you have an odd fetish.

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That’s not an answer.

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We have fewer than we had 30 years ago. You aren't satisfied.

So. "Fewer" isn't an answer.

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Fewer to the point that our numbers are in line with other comparable countries.

You didn't answer my question - what's your definition of success for inaction?

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That's not how weighing things work.

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What weights do you assign that you're unwilling to enact stricter gun laws to save lives? What's the relative weight you have for each? Please, try again.

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We already achieved this in the last 30 years.

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We achieved this despite our lax gun laws - now let's achieve it to be in line with the rest of the developed world because of stricter gun laws.