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re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45855 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:23 pm to
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And in 1964, the AR-15.

Not sure why you're so confused here, they even kept the AR in the name to help you out...




No, the 1964 AR-15 was not the same weapon as the M16.

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46352 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:25 pm to
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Do we have an epidemic of deaths due to high speed chases from cars (red cars?) in this country?


Well we don’t have an epidemic of deaths from rifles either, but you want to ban them...
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:46 pm to
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It was originally developed solely for military use.


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So was the Internet.


Add Interstate Highways to the list. Along with every other firearm/weapon in existence today. Bow and Arrows, originally designed for military use.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:02 pm to
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I'm happy to discuss it, but you've shown time and again that you're not interested in that.


Incorrect. I'm just not willing to consider opinions and cherry-picking. Offer something else, if you feel you are capable.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:03 pm to
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Not sure why you're so confused here, they even kept the AR in the name to help you out...




You don't know enough about firearms or history to make this statement.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:07 pm to
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Add Interstate Highways to the list. Along with every other firearm/weapon in existence today. Bow and Arrows, originally designed for military use.


Yep. There's a long list of things "designed for military use."

It's a stupid point. Par for this idiot.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39381 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:08 pm to
Just study England.

Nothing has changed with the gun murder rates except people can't defend themselves.

And if you're an Olympian you have to get a special permit to train at a special location to check out a gun.

Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:17 pm to
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Sure it does, when it leads to people acquiring guns who otherwise wouldn't, then using those guns to kill people.




We should make laws that keep people from kicking in doors and stealing guns that should significantly decrease guns in the wrong hands.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:20 pm to
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You mean David Hemenway, the Director of the Injury Control Research Center at Harvard?
Si!

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I have no problem citing him any time
quite the admission.

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you need to be refuted.
Still waiting...
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:20 pm to
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We should make laws that keep people from kicking in doors and stealing guns that should significantly decrease guns in the wrong hands.


Bama's answer will be that we need to keep the guns out of the law abiding citizens hands so it can never happen in the first place.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:21 pm to
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it contains features that no civilian needs in day to day life.
Which features? Specifically.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:23 pm to
Pistol grips, Flash hiders, Detachable Magazines, Telescoping Stocks, etc....

Such terrifying features!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:26 pm to
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Do we have an epidemic of deaths due to high speed chases from cars (red cars?) in this country?
Do we have an epidemic of deaths due to black rifles?

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No? Then, nope.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:28 pm to
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Not sure why you're so confused here, they even kept the AR in the name to help you out...
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12939 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:42 pm to
You need to reread that documentation. Those are not CDC statistics. It’s basically a review of published reports. There are different findings. The numbers also reflect different periods. The number of defensive uses is much lower in differing studies and the effectiveness of such uses is questioned or unknown.

However it’s a nice effort at selective reading on your part.

We are the only nation with a pervasive gun culture and in which there are recurring mass shooting and incidence of gun violence.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45855 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:47 pm to
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We are the only nation with a pervasive gun culture


As intended.

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in which there are recurring mass shooting and incidence of gun violence.


The first is not even remotely statistically significant.

The latter is overwhelmingly one specific demographic.

...and still not statistically significant.

But good job on trotting out the same emotional bullshite we've heard a million times already.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 4:52 pm to




The urban fraidy cats are cowering in fear, and they're having a gun show in an elementary school in Idaho
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 5:18 pm to
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We are the only nation with a pervasive gun culture and in which there are recurring mass shooting and incidence of gun violence.
This is simply untrue.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41481 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:30 pm to
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This is incorrect.

You really are a hack. 86 dead with a truck. No, it isn't hard to kill a large group if you want to.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19511 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:31 pm to
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It is, much to your terror. More guns = more gun deaths.



It isn't and you are nothing more that a poorly educated rube clinging to a dying religion.

As for the bullshite from Dickey:

CDC has the authority.

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Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) wants to remind the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that it already has the power to study gun violence despite what he calls “widely held misconceptions” that say otherwise.

In a letter to the CDC on Friday, Carper dismissed an argument from many public health researchers who say federal gun research has been halted by the 20-year-old congressional budget rule known as the “Dickey amendment.”

That provision, enacted after a lobbying campaign by the National Rifle Association, bans any research seen as advocating for gun control, but Carper and others point out it is not an outright ban.

“The agency is permitted and well within its authority to take this important step today, and I urge them to expand this critical work without delay,” Carper wrote in a letter to CDC Director Tom Frieden.


So easy proving your ignorance and stupidy before the board...
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 7:32 pm
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