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re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:49 pm to
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people committing suicide or being negligent does not mean guns should be confiscated


We aren't talking confiscation, we're talking restricting access. Learn the terms - you really sound like an idiot when you lack basic vocabulary around this issue.

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also, this ignorant comment does not factor in crimes stopped by people with guns


A rare event that almost never happens. You are hundreds of times more likely to have a gun you own used on you or someone in your household than you ever are to use it in self-defense.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:51 pm to
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like there's some other nation who is doing it "better" than the us


Every single comparable one.

Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:51 pm to
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It's not an appeal to emotion, it's a statement of fact that (easily) refutes the point.


In what world do you live in that this fact (17 dead) refutes the point that there are functional differences between civilian AR-15's and the military m16/m4?
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:54 pm to
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Yet another preposterous post.


True, but preposterous. That's a new one from you.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:54 pm to
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So you want a full ban of semi-automatic weapons?


No, do you?
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:55 pm to
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In what world do you live in that this fact (17 dead) refutes the point that there are functional differences between civilian AR-15's and the military m16/m4?


Because the point wasn't that there are functional differences, it was that one was purposed for civilians and thus should be legal. The 17 dead refute that.

Now that we're on the same page, which was it? The select fire option or the one without?
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:58 pm to
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No, do you?


What exactly do you propose? Please be specific.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:59 pm to
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Because the point wasn't that there are functional differences, it was that one was purposed for civilians and thus should be legal. The 17 dead refute that.


Again, the AR-15 is no different than a semi-automatic pistol, or most hunting rifles.

You want it banned, but you don't support the banning of semi-automatic weapons.

What exactly do you want to regulate?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:00 pm to
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Gun Deaths


Still not an important statistic in this discussion.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:00 pm to
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What exactly do you propose?


I've stated it numerous times in numerous other threads. It's easy to find.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:01 pm to
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I've stated it numerous times in numerous other threads. It's easy to find.


Humor me.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:01 pm to
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Still not an important statistic in this discussion.


An incredibly important statistic in a discussion on how to prevent gun deaths.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:01 pm to
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I just remembered, we can't have this discussion until you provide me your analysis of the Jan 2017 Epi Review meta-analysis.


Wrong. We've been over this. You owe me a paper on the current topic. It's late, but I'm patient.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:02 pm to
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Again, the AR-15 is no different than a semi-automatic pistol, or most hunting rifles.


Except for the extended magazine and other features that make it exceptionally good at its intended purpose - killing humans.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:03 pm to
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SidewalkDawg


Check the thread from the day of the MSD shooting.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:03 pm to
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An incredibly important statistic in a discussion on how to prevent gun deaths.


Including justifiable shootings and suicides is never important in this discussion.

Never.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:03 pm to
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An incredibly important statistic in a discussion on how to prevent gun deaths.


Yet you focus on a rifle that accounts for such a small amount of death it's almost as statistically insignificant.

LINK

Handguns killed 5,562 people in 2014. Rifles accounted for 248 deaths.


Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:04 pm to
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We've been over this.


And we'll continue to go over it until you produce the analysis you said you had ready, but we both know you're incapable of providing.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:05 pm to
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And we'll continue to go over it until you produce the analysis you said you had ready, but we both know you're incapable of providing.


Wrong. You owe me a paper. Turn that in and we can continue.

I'm patient.
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