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NYTimes - I’m a Columbia Professor. The Protests on My Campus Are Not Justice.

Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:47 pm

By John McWhorter

Opinion Writer

Last Thursday, in the music humanities class I teach at Columbia University, two students were giving an in-class presentation on the composer John Cage. His most famous piece is “4'33",” which directs us to listen in silence to surrounding noise for exactly that amount of time.

I had to tell the students we could not listen to that piece that afternoon because the surrounding noise would have been not birds or people walking by in the hallway but infuriated chanting from protesters outside the building. Lately that noise has been almost continuous during the day and into the evening, including lusty chanting of “From the river to the sea.” Two students in my class are Israeli; three others, to my knowledge, are American Jews. I couldn’t see making them sit and listen to this as if it were background music.

I thought about what would have happened if protesters were instead chanting anti-Black slogans or even something like “D.E.I. has got to die,” to the same “Sound Off” tune that “From the river to the sea” has been adapted to. They would have lasted roughly five minutes before masses of students shouted them down and drove them off the campus. Chants like that would have been condemned as a grave rupture of civilized exchange, heralded as threatening resegregation and branded as a form of violence. I’d wager that most of the student protesters against the Gaza war would view them that way. Why do so many people think that weekslong campus protests against not just the war in Gaza but Israel’s very existence are nevertheless permissible?

Although I know many Jewish people will disagree with me, I don’t think that Jew hatred is as much the reason for this sentiment as opposition to Zionism and the war on Gaza. I know some of the protesters, including a couple who were taken to jail last week, and I find it very hard to imagine that they are antisemitic. Yes, there can be a fine line between questioning Israel’s right to exist and questioning Jewish people’s right to exist. And yes, some of the rhetoric amid the protests crosses it.

Conversations I have had with people heatedly opposed to the war in Gaza, signage and writings on social media and elsewhere and anti-Israel and generally hard-leftist comments that I have heard for decades on campuses place these confrontations within a larger battle against power structures — here in the form of what they call colonialism and genocide — and against whiteness. The idea is that Jewish students and faculty should be able to tolerate all of this because they are white.


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Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:50 pm to
Have you been arrested in your tent yet?
Posted by angryslugs
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:58 pm to
Why doesn't he just fail the protesters in his classes?
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:59 pm to
What bothers me the most is that this is another “the current thing” and the polarized people get the most attention.

What Israel is doing is sad. What Hamas did was horrible. Retaliation was expected, but to what degree?

People ought to be able to be upset with Bibi blowing all this stuff up and not be “pro-Palestine,” and people ought to be able to defend Israel’s actions without being called Zionists.

However, chanting “from the river to the sea” is clearly attached to Palestinian desires to destroy Israel, and people need to understand that before they bleat like sheep.

The polarization needs to stop. It’s been going for four years straight and is tearing the world apart.
Posted by FLTech
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Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:02 pm to
These protests are fake. They are all a bunch of broken (and broke) college kids making $25/hour to pretend they are outraged about an event that they don’t have a fricking clue about

It’s the only way dems can disrupt normal life.
Posted by patnuh
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:03 pm to
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His most famous piece is “4'33",” which directs us to listen in silence to surrounding noise for exactly that amount of time.


Wtf.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4152 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:13 pm to
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His most famous piece is “4'33",” which directs us to listen in silence to surrounding noise for exactly that amount of time.


Even has fingerings for the pianist to not play.

Just more modern art bull dookies...

Posted by Epaminondas
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Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

His most famous piece is “4'33",” which directs us to listen in silence to surrounding noise for exactly that amount of time.
quote:

Wtf
.If these protests are going to happen, at least keep them on campus, where the protesters' chanting isn't interfering with anyone doing something productive.
Posted by Tigerfan016
Member since May 2014
215 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:22 pm to
One version just has to rest, another has it in 3/4 time signature and the key of Eb, and another has it split into three separate movements.

The point of it was to say that the background sounds we hear in everyday life are music, which is a load of bull. Cage was trying to be edgy and push the boundaries of what we define music as, and all this does is demean what real music is. It takes music as something that can be transcendent and instead replaces it as meaningless.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:29 pm to
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However, chanting “from the river to the sea” is clearly attached to Palestinian desires to destroy Israel, and people need to understand that before they bleat like sheep.


From the river to sea is an originally zionist phrase.

Both sides have used it though.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:29 pm to
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The polarization needs to stop. It’s been going for thousands of years and is tearing the world apart.


FIFY
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19353 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Wtf.


Must be a god awful piece of music.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:31 pm to
He teaches music humanities? Hope he enjoys educating the future Starbucks workers of America.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:43 pm to
He teaches English and is a good guy.

Here is a commentary of his from a few weeks ago for example -

That’s three down: Last week Brown University reinstated standardized testing as a part of its admissions requirements, following Yale and Dartmouth, which did the same earlier this year. For all that we have heard about how standardized tests propagate injustice, the decisions at these Ivy League schools are antiracism in action, and should serve as models for similar decisions across academia. (M.I.T. was an even earlier re-adopter of testing requirements, in 2022.)

Of course, for years, the leading idea has been precisely the opposite: that the proper antiracist approach is to stop using standardized tests in admissions. Many schools first suspended using them a few years back because their administration was too difficult during the peak of the Covid pandemic. But then, in line with racial reckoning commitments in the wake of the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests, many decided not to bring the tests back.

This was in line with longstanding claims, touted as higher wisdom, that the SAT promotes, rather than undercuts, racial disparities in admissions. The idea is that the test simply reflects socioeconomic level, with more affluent, disproportionately white kids able to afford test preparation classes to raise their scores. All the way back in 2001, the University of California president Richard Atkinson was warmly and widely celebrated for his call to eliminate the SAT from the schools’ admissions process. Enlightened consensus was that the SAT predicts nothing important. Grapevine wisdom has been that some test questions are biased against lower-income people (although exactly how many questions about things like regattas the SAT has included has never been clear).

Given this perception, the wave of schools letting go of the SAT after 2020 seemed to many like an acceleration of social justice long overdue. But lately, evidence has mounted, steadily, that the SAT is in fact useful in demonstrating students’ abilities regardless of their economic backgrounds or the quality of their high schools. Some studies show scores correlate with student performance in college more strongly than high-school grades, and that without the standardized test data it is harder to identify Black, Latino and lower-income white kids who would likely thrive in elite universities. It was precisely this evidence that led the Dartmouth president, Sian Beilock, to be first out of the gate this year in daring to go back to using the test in admissions. I nominate her as Antiracist of 2024 so far.

Many might find it an awkward fit to label requiring the SAT for college admissions as antiracist. But we must attend carefully to what racism and antiracism actually are, as the words have come to occupy such broad swatches of semantic ground. In this light, the tacit sense of the SAT and similar tests as somehow anti-Black is dangerous.

This is because ideas have a way of undergoing mission creep. What an unspoken idea implies, a resonance in the air, eventually manifests itself as an openly asserted new position. In that vein, there is a short step between acknowledging that disadvantage makes it harder to ace the test — which is self-evidently true — and a proposition that is related but vastly more questionable: that Blackness is culturally incompatible with the test.

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Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:53 pm to
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What Hamas did was horrible. Retaliation was expected, but to what degree?

Until Hamas is no more.
Posted by DrrTiger
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2023
367 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:58 pm to
Maybe these dumbasses should be protesting that they’ll never be able to afford to buy a house or retire.

Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34309 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:22 pm to
Your people are unhinged.
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

From the river to sea is an originally zionist phrase.
Don't spoil their fairytale with facts.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:27 pm to
They are not "my people".
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