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re: NYT is disputing wapo story that Hegseth ordered survivors killed
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If accurate.
This looks bad on military under Hegseth.
Not Hegseth.
From what I have read Trump doesn’t think it is ok to kill the survivors and he believes Hegseth that he did not give the order.
This looks bad on military under Hegseth.
Not Hegseth.
From what I have read Trump doesn’t think it is ok to kill the survivors and he believes Hegseth that he did not give the order.
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:17 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:
Like when Obama order a U.S. citizen to be droned?
Obama should have been prosecuted for murder.
This isn't a partisan issue. Even the Nazis were against killing ship wreck survivors. If you're actually interested, here's a good article from the US Naval Institute about the successful prosecution of Nazis who killed shipwreck survivors in international waters. The U-boat commander and two other officers were executed for their war crimes.
A major part of the prosecutions case was testimony of another U-boat commander that such executions of survivors were prohibited by German naval policy.
USNI: Peleus War Crimes Trial
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:20 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Thanks. Adding it all up...and understanding we don't have all the facts...what do you think happened with that first strike?
It was a fundamental departure from normal drug interdiction to extrajudicial killing with the goal of regime change in Venezuela plus they wanted a snuff film to release to Trump's base (although they edited out the second strike). The Senate Armed Services Committee will be looking into it so hopefully we can learn everything about it.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:35 pm to Decatur
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The Senate Armed Services Committee will be looking into it so hopefully we can learn everything about it.
Agreed...but my guess is that we won't ever learn what really happened.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
There's video of the whole thing. Should have audio also.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:45 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Oh look…. 2 leftist having a circle jerk over some narco terrorist being wiped off the face of Earth. I guess this is y’all’s new cause now that the Epstein files disappeared like a fart in the wind.
Y’all will be outraged for a few weeks then move on to the next thing MSDNC tells you to be outraged over
Y’all will be outraged for a few weeks then move on to the next thing MSDNC tells you to be outraged over
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:18 pm to ArizonaTiger97
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That would mean our military has committed murder
And this is just another example on why our ROE are idiotic.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:41 pm to Bourre
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2 leftist having a circle jerk over some narco terrorist being wiped off the face of Earth. I guess this is y’all’s new cause now that the Epstein files disappeared like a fart in the wind.
Y’all will be outraged for a few weeks then move on to the next thing MSDNC tells you to be outraged over
I don't care at all about narcoterrorists. I care about our military possibly being abused.
As for the Epstein files, you are especially moronic. Like most conservatives, I thought the Epstein files might shed light on how the Deep State controls us. There's nothing to talk about now, because Massie won and got the law passed. The DOJ has until December 18 (or 19?) to release the files.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:45 pm to Decatur
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There's video of the whole thing. Should have audio also.
If that's true and if the video exonerated the military, we would have seen it by now.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 11:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Real-life Liars Paradox
Posted on 12/1/25 at 11:55 pm to Bama Mountain
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“For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.”
Ah yes, I remember in WW2 how our navy would stop firing at german and japanese ships once they were damaged.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 11:59 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
What war is this? It’s state sanctioned murder of another country’s civilians. Wild.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 12:02 am to Bama Mountain
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Bin Laden was armed, as were several others in his compound.
Some people in the compound were armed. Bin Laden was not. Literally, a ten-second Google search will prove that out.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:33 am to ArizonaTiger97
ArizonaTiger97
Check out this alter and his past posts.
Lolz
Check out this alter and his past posts.
Lolz
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:38 am to Jbird
Definitely not an alt, anything but responding to the point. Fox News has confirmed the story and Hegseth is on video talking about watching it. Do you think Americans are going to cheer for war crimes?
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:44 am to ArizonaTiger97
Lol sure thing
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs. But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth’s directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things.
Okay I will bite.
This is Trump doing work. He or his associates must have called the NYT with 5 different accents to portray a different narrative than what was portrayed in the Washington Compost.
Trump loved to do this with the media building his real estate empire. You feed the media crumbs they keep coming back for more.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 6:24 am
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:46 am to Jbird
You good?
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:58 am to IvoryBillMatt
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This isn't a partisan issue.
You see, that is where you are wrong.
Dems will never admit to the fact that Obama ordered the execution of an American citizen (with no due process).
I have no issue with holding people responsible for their actions.
The question is, did Hegseth order the second strike. I have yet to see definitive proof that he did so.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 6:00 am to ArizonaTiger97
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Do you think Americans are going to cheer for war crimes?
Cheer on? No.
Defend…or pretend that they didn’t happen - yes.
I noticed that you haven’t responded to my bringing up Obama ordering the murder of a U.S. citizen. It seems as though you support war crimes being committed.
On another note, you have lied to set your (false) narrative.
For example:
quote:
the SECDEF feigning ignorance after telling a subordinate to kill them all
I will wait for a link definitively proving what you have alleged.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 6:05 am
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