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re: NY Times: latest UFO article - crash retrievals (Tucker reporting it, pg. 6 and 12)
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:52 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:52 pm to BoarEd
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I never said it did. And I'm also not the one that is making the claim that there are 40 billion potentially habitable planets within our own galaxy alone. That would be the folks at Kepler and NASA.
Like I said, you're giving yourself extremely long odds of being correct here.
The people at Kepler and NASA have an agenda, much like their global warming push. What evidence do they have that any of these planets are habitable? None. They say "potentially". Translation- we don't really know, but it's possible. That's an easy claim to make. Until they actual study the atmospheric conditions, the soil (if you can't grow food, especially the nonpoisonous kind, you can't survive) the temperatures, etc, then you don't have a case.
I'm not giving my self long odds at all. The odds that even WE would exist, based on the non-creation models (evolution) are so long that life never should have happened. The fact that we do, in spite of all odds, exist, is powerful evidence of a divine Creator. To think that those odds could surrender up more planets with life on them, would be ridiculous, unless the Bible gave any indication of life on other planets. It does not.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:56 pm to IceTiger
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Well...it gets a bit convoluted, but the watchers came from the skies, bred with women and produced Nephilim...which has also been translated as men of renown...
Or, depending on who you listen to, "the fallen ones."
But yeah, I take your point. Good catch.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:57 pm to BoarEd
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Is it not possible that life found a way to exist and maybe even thrive in environments that are completely different than ours?
Certainly with the widest interpretation of "possible", we must concede this potential.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:57 pm to Metaloctopus
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The people at Kepler and NASA have an agenda, much like their global warming push
Now we are getting into conspiracy world. I'm gonna bow out of this conversation because you don't appear to be interested in admitting you were wrong and you're clearly going to stick to your guns.
Thing is, at the end of the day this argument is a waste of time. They're in the process of disclosing these things as we speak.
have a good rest of your day. This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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You need, essentially, a Class M planet in the halo zone - that's what you're saying.
Odds are there are MILLIONS of them in the universe (ETA: Maybe billions)
No, there has not been a single study of any planet which has our conditions. Only bits ad pieces of what we have. You have to actually find the first planet with our conditions in order to create a scale of probability.
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I think you're confusing "improbable" with "essentially impossible" and forgetting about the scale we're talking about here.
And you are confusing "improbable" with "you're an idiot if you think we're alone". How does that jive? The burden is not on me to disprove what has not been shown to be exist. And that last statement is what atheists say to me about God, except that they forget that the burden IS on them to explain an alternative to how we got here. I accept God on faith, and readily admit it. However, it is not BLIND faith. I use logic when I look around at the complexity of life, and ask myself if I have ever seen or heard of any experiment that could explain how such complexity could come by accident. And the answer is no, I haven't. I understand that a house needs a builder. A computer needs a designer and programmer. A car needs a designer. And these things are nothing compared to a single human cell, much less an entire human body, MUCH less than a world filled with life of all kinds. That's my evidence of God.
In order to believe in evolution, I have to accept everything on blind faith. I have conduct faulty tests to give me results that "confirm" my predetermined conclusions.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:07 pm to BoarEd
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Now we are getting into conspiracy world. I'm gonna bow out of this conversation because you don't appear to be interested in admitting you were wrong and you're clearly going to stick to your guns.
Thing is, at the end of the day this argument is a waste of time. They're in the process of disclosing these things as we speak.
have a good rest of your day
So then you believe in global warming? I see. And I was wrong how? I have addressed every one of your points. You base everything you believe on assumptions from people who call themselves scientists. Would it surprise you to know that there are many, many scientists who would disagree? And who actually make a case as to why, rather than saying "these planets could be habitable". How do they know? They don't. But you think you do, and that I'm wrong.
I thought you were reasonable, but you turned out to be a militant UFO chaser. I'm sorry to hear that.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:14 pm to Metaloctopus
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You base everything you believe on assumptions from people who call themselves scientists
If they aren't scientists then what the frick are they?
And I didn't make a comment on global warming. This thread isn't about global warming.
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How do they know? They don't. But you think you do, and that I'm wrong.
Maybe I shouldn't have said "you are wrong." Ill amend the remarks to says, "you have a very, very, very strong chance of being wrong."
40 billion, man.
Are there scientists who will tell you that out of those 40 billion planets, none of them are habitable? I'm sure there are. Thankfully though, those morons don't work for Kepler or NASA. We don't need moron scientists associated with our space programs.
40 billion.
Maybe you're not wrong. But I would wager my house right now that you are. Id wager everything I have. 40 billion is a whole fricking lot. It's borderline archaic to still believe we are alone in the universe. Not even worth further consideration on my end. If that makes me a "militant UFO chaser" then so be it. But I tend to think of myself as a pretty reasonable dude. Reasonable enough to understand at least somewhat the scale of what we are discussing here.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:17 pm to ThinePreparedAni
If President Trump stepped up and gave specific evidence of UFOs and even introduced a bona fide alien on stage — shocking the world with the biggest news in history — would they still riot in a Portland and Seattle and still take a knee at ball games?
I bet Don Lemon would lead with funeral plans for John Lewis.
I bet Don Lemon would lead with funeral plans for John Lewis.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think the danger here is - if aliens are actually confirmed, your logic can be turned to suggest the existence of such life is proof against the Bible.
I disagree
It would just make God "bigger"
Read "Religion and Rockets" by C.S. Lewis
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:26 pm to BoarEd
One more remark on this from a biblical perspective and then I'm done with it. The last thing I want to come across as is a Bible basher because that's not what I'm about at all.
Seems to me that if a person believes that God created this entire universe, they would pretty much be forced to the conclusion that there's life everywhere. Otherwise, God really missed an opportunity when he created 40 billion potentially habitable planets in the Milky Way alone and didn't put life on a single one of those other than Earth.
It would be an awful waste of space and may suggest God is a bad manager. I don't think God is a bad manager. I would rather, from a Biblical perspective, assume God created life all throughout the cosmos. Otherwise there is no point in creating the entirety of the cosmos.
It's funny how people's belief systems work. This guy is denying science and holding to a view of the Bible that isn't even logically consistent with itself, imo. Makes no sense at all.
Seems to me that if a person believes that God created this entire universe, they would pretty much be forced to the conclusion that there's life everywhere. Otherwise, God really missed an opportunity when he created 40 billion potentially habitable planets in the Milky Way alone and didn't put life on a single one of those other than Earth.
It would be an awful waste of space and may suggest God is a bad manager. I don't think God is a bad manager. I would rather, from a Biblical perspective, assume God created life all throughout the cosmos. Otherwise there is no point in creating the entirety of the cosmos.
It's funny how people's belief systems work. This guy is denying science and holding to a view of the Bible that isn't even logically consistent with itself, imo. Makes no sense at all.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:29 pm to BoarEd
We need to focus on the multiverse (and it's 11 dimensions) if we want real answers, scientifically speaking
If that could be solved then all else falls into place
If that could be solved then all else falls into place
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:30 pm to BoarEd
quote:Late to the discussion here. I'm going to avoid the spiritual and metaphysical implications here for the most part
I never said it did. And I'm also not the one that is making the claim that there are 40 billion potentially habitable planets within our own galaxy alone. That would be the folks at Kepler and NASA.
, other than to say this- if there is an omnipotent Creator, He would certainly be infinitely more intelligent than you or I. And ancient texts were dictated to humans, and written by human hands in those cases, not by handing over an actual text or document. And translated into languages the humans could understand. Certain elements of scope and scale, etc, could be misinterpreted, because they were incomprehensible. The making of an IPhone would would not be understood 2, 3 thousand years ago. The making of a plane of existence would be similarly mystifying, even today. Most folks get stumped on atomic structure, subatomic particles start messing up scientists. These are simple parts, not approaching what separates "here" from another plane of existence (which most religions seem to indicate).
Back onto the potentially habitable planets... if we simply look at Earth's evolutionary model, what would we expect the dominant lifeform to be on other worlds? It'd seem like mammals would be pretty far down the list in pecking order. Took some cataclysmic events for them to surpass the reptiles.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:35 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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There has been such a long history of bad actors in the ufo community. It’s hard to discern what is truth or not most of the time by these eye witness accounts.
Biggest problem in this entire thing. Too many profiting off of YouTube and books and “documentaries” etc. David Wilcock and Corey Goode for example.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:36 pm to Scoob
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Back onto the potentially habitable planets... if we simply look at Earth's evolutionary model, what would we expect the dominant lifeform to be on other worlds? It'd seem like mammals would be pretty far down the list in pecking order. Took some cataclysmic events for them to surpass the reptiles.
I'm of the opinion that the humanoid form is the "apex" of planetary evolution and if it weren't for mammals coming along due to those cataclysmic events you speak of, the dominant species on this planet today would be a humanoid reptile.
Far fetched? The Bible speaks of reptiles that could talk and tempt Eve with an apple. Humanoid reptiles may exist and mingle among us even to this day. All supported by the Bible.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:32 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Genesis 6 holds the answer....Aliens from other planets?...nope....Entities from another dimension?....yep
I think the danger here is - if aliens are actually confirmed, your logic can be turned to suggest the existence of such life is proof against the Bible.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:58 pm to burdhead
Tucker starts in a couple minutes. Interested to see how deep he dives tonight.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:24 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I remember reading somewhere years ago that if only one in a billion stars had a planet(s) with life there would still be over billion stars with life bearing planets. Obviously that doesn't prove anything but it seems to me that it's likely there is other life out there. I guess the question is whether or not any of them could travel the distances required to get here
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:34 pm to ThinePreparedAni
UFO's are humans from an alternate dimension than our own that have figured out how to pierce the veil between dimensions. They're visiting different dimensional timelines to study human advancements based off different scenarios and decisions of the human race..
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:37 pm to lsu13lsu
I’d throw Bob Lazar, George Knapp, and George Noory into that group.
They’re sometimes entertaining, but have been selling the same lines for decades now.
I’ve been waiting for this impending disclosure since the 90’s, and still got nothing.
They’re sometimes entertaining, but have been selling the same lines for decades now.
I’ve been waiting for this impending disclosure since the 90’s, and still got nothing.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:47 pm to DarkDrifter
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UFO's are humans from an alternate dimension than our own that have figured out how to pierce the veil between dimensions. They're visiting different dimensional timelines to study human advancements based off different scenarios and decisions of the human race..
Very good chance this is happening in addition to whatever else is going on, imo.
Time travelers.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 7:49 pm
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