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re: NY Times: latest UFO article - crash retrievals (Tucker reporting it, pg. 6 and 12)
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:33 pm to Metaloctopus
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:33 pm to Metaloctopus
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See the problem?
Yes, your closed mind.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 2:00 pm
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:34 pm to Metaloctopus
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Please tell me you folks don't believe in aliens
I don't know if anything we have seen or recovered on Earth is really not from this world, but I 100% believe that there is other life out there, probably not little green or grays who visit and probe us. If that means I believe in aliens, then yeah, I believe in aliens
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:40 pm to BoarEd
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The Government, The New York Times, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and I'm sure others are all saying these things come from somewhere other than Earth.
My personal opinion is that these tic-tacs are ours, but why would it be unreasonable, based on this recent news, for someone to think the technology came from aliens? They're saying it didn't come from Earth.
It's like people aren't even considering the source material and are jumping straight to, "this is impossible and anyone who believes it is a lunatic." This thinking does a great disservice to us all.
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The Government, The New York Times, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and I'm sure others are all saying these things come from somewhere other than Earth.
My personal opinion is that these tic-tacs are ours, but why would it be unreasonable, based on this recent news, for someone to think the technology came from aliens? They're saying it didn't come from Earth.
It's like people aren't even considering the source material and are jumping straight to, "this is impossible and anyone who believes it is a lunatic." This thinking does a great disservice to us all.
The fact that the New York Times and Joe Rogan are saying this is terribly damaging to the credibility of the story. I'm not sure how you would believe otherwise. As for Tucker, he might be conservative, but he's obviously got some deep emotional attachment to the belief in aliens that goes back a long ways, in order to buy into this nonsense.
To answer your question, it is unreasonable, because, as I said in an above comment, we have yet to find a single planet what even comes close to having the right conditions to support life. Absent that, there is no reason to believe in aliens. And that is without going into Biblical context.
The fact that some people are claiming it didn't come from Earth means nothing without seeing the proof. Anyone can say anything comes from anywhere. If this is a military project that is being protected, why would they tell us the truth? See what I'm saying? I'm going with the far more logical scenario, rather than starting with the premise "it must be aliens" and working backwards.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:44 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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Yes, you're closed mind
You're a hypocrite. I'm using logic. You won't engage that logic because it hurts your theory and shoots down your years of "I told everyone it was true" fantasizing.
So, instead of engaging, you call ME closed minded. Your mind won't even accept the possibility that you're wrong. That's the definition of being closed minded. If you could show me evidence of your theory, I'd believe you. All we have is rhetoric and hearsay. This has been going on for decades. It's not new.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:46 pm to Metaloctopus
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? I'm going with the far more logical scenario, rather than starting with the premise "it must be aliens" and working backwards.
Ok. I get ya, but it's not just Tucker, Rogan, and the NYT. The DoD is also steering this narrative. But like I've said numerous times, I don't think this is alien tech either. Or, if it is, it has been reverse engineered and the tic-tacs are our own devices.
I haven't seen just too many people screaming that this is "definitely aliens." All we know right now is that they're real, people are saying they come from someplace else, and people are adding in the claim that the .gov has retrieved crashed UFOs.
Personally, even though I've heard it for many years, I'm not sold on the crash retrieval stuff and I'm fully aware the .gov isn't likely to be telling the truth on these matters.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:51 pm to BoarEd
I bet projecting metoloctipus has his own orbit.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:54 pm to BoarEd
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Ok. I get ya, but it's not just Tucker, Rogan, and the NYT. The DoD is also steering this narrative. But like I've said numerous times, I don't think this is alien tech either. Or, if it is, it has been reverse engineered and the tic-tacs are our own devices.
I haven't seen just too many people screaming that this is "definitely aliens." All we know right now is that they're real, people are saying they come from someplace else, and people are adding in the claim that the .gov has retrieved crashed UFOs.
Personally, even though I've heard it for many years, I'm not sold on the crash retrieval stuff and I'm fully aware the .gov isn't likely to be telling the truth on these matters
Fair enough. You seem reasonable about it, rather than selling out to it. I can accept that. I just know from the amount of disinformation what we are fed about so many things, that it is impossible for me to believe in aliens, or alien technology, without seeing some seriously hard evidence. As I said, anyone can just say things, knowing that the general public doesn't have the means to confirm or deny it, factually. Covid-19 being exhibit A. It took some scientists with integrity to start exposing it before people started waking up.
To me, this kind of thing is misdirection.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:58 pm to Metaloctopus
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See the problem?
Yes. Your math
So far we have found 100 billion galaxies.
On average there are 100 million stars in a galaxy.
100 billion x 100 million = number of stars.
I don't need to see alien life to know it exist. Period.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:58 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I bet projecting metoloctipus has his own orbit
Considering you fit the stereotypical description of a basement dweller, you would be more likely to have your own orbit. But I won't assume you do.
I, on the other hand, am skinny enough to disappear behind a pencil.
But what point are either of us proving with such nonsense? Are you still afraid of engaging me in actual discussion?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:01 pm to ThinePreparedAni
The DJT Space Force was not a mistake of timing, folks.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:02 pm to Metaloctopus
You are far too emotional for me.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:05 pm to Metaloctopus
The larger thread in the OP links to a bigger thread where all options are considered (including these things being manmade). We are open to all considerations.
If this is manmade, then someone has been holding out technology that could revolutionize humanity. Folks at high levels in the white world claim it is not US tech. I concede it could be black world tech, but who does it belong to and what are there intentions? Myself and others in this thread have postulated that a breakaway civilization scenario is in play. I personally feel they are the Nazis. They conceded a superficial loss at the end of WWII. Leadership went underground and embedded itself in US advanced science (NASA) , defense contractors and the intelligence community (comprising the deep state). Their goal was a long play to first destroy the Soviet Union using the US, then destroy the US from within. They are likely off world and have colonized other planets. Surface life on earth is likely a game /reality TV for them...
The breakaway narrative does not excluded other possibilities. Some feel the Nazis were assisted by other intelligences.
Still a very big deal
If this is manmade, then someone has been holding out technology that could revolutionize humanity. Folks at high levels in the white world claim it is not US tech. I concede it could be black world tech, but who does it belong to and what are there intentions? Myself and others in this thread have postulated that a breakaway civilization scenario is in play. I personally feel they are the Nazis. They conceded a superficial loss at the end of WWII. Leadership went underground and embedded itself in US advanced science (NASA) , defense contractors and the intelligence community (comprising the deep state). Their goal was a long play to first destroy the Soviet Union using the US, then destroy the US from within. They are likely off world and have colonized other planets. Surface life on earth is likely a game /reality TV for them...
The breakaway narrative does not excluded other possibilities. Some feel the Nazis were assisted by other intelligences.
Still a very big deal
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:06 pm to goatmilker
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Yes. Your math
So far we have found 100 billion galaxies.
On average there are 100 million stars in a galaxy.
100 billion x 100 million = number of stars.
I don't need to see alien life to know it exist. Period
... You insult my math, and then you confuse math with LIFE SUPPORTING CONDITIONS. My comment had nothing to do with math. I didn't mention a single number. I know how many galaxies and stars we've discovered. And it is the very fact that, of all the planets we've studied, NONE have even remotely the right conditions for life, that there is no reason to believe in aliens.
This is the same argument I often use against atheists who try to claim that everything just happened randomly. The reason we can't find the conditions to support life ANYWHERE else, is because the conditions have to be absolutely perfect, and the odds of that happening are so incomprehensible that we can't even fathom it. And yet, here we are. There is nothing random about that. Without a divine Creator, there is no chance for life. The universe is here for us to study and marvel at God's wonders. Not for us to claim that everything is random, but somehow not only are we here, but supposedly there are aliens all throughout the universe.
But no such evidence has been found outside of us, right here, on Earth.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:08 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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The breakaway narrative does not excluded other possibilities. Some feel the Nazis were assisted by other intelligences.
TPA, are you familiar with the Astro material? If so, what are your thoughts on that possibility?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:09 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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You are far too emotional for me.
That's the second hypocritical comment you've made towards me. I'm just sitting here trying to reason with you, and haven't called you any names. You've been insulting me the entire time, and have yet to make a coherent argument. That's called being "emotional".
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:09 pm to Metaloctopus
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, NONE have even remotely the right conditions for life, that there is no reason to believe in aliens.
Damn I missed it. All those places barren and I missed it. That's messed up but kuddos to us for checking out trillions of stars without me knowing about it
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:10 pm to Metaloctopus
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And it is the very fact that, of all the planets we've studied, NONE have even remotely the right conditions for life, that there is no reason to believe in aliens.
I don't believe this is true. I believe they've found many planets that should be suitable for life. I'm busy at the moment, but later on I'll see if I can dig up some citation for this claim unless someone beats me to the punch.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:12 pm to Metaloctopus
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Without a divine Creator, there is no chance for life.
Oh my god. We have bible thumper here.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:17 pm to goatmilker
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Damn I missed it. All those places barren and I missed it. That's messed up but kuddos to us for checking out trillions of stars without me knowing about it
Barren? Who said anything about Barren? Do you even know that in order for life to exist, you don't just need water. We always hear about space agencies tryng to find water. You have to have the right mixture of gases, the right temperature (we are the perfect distance from the SUN where we neither burn or freeze to death), and our bodies have all of the necessary functions to process food, air, bacteria, etc., in such a way that we can live.
We haven't found that anywhere. Period.
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