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re: NPR comes to the realization that Civil War is indeed a possibility
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:23 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:23 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:I'm not
Then why are you so intolerant of those with whom you disagree?
quote:You don't even like the constitution. Spare me.
My land was granted to my family by the Spanish Crown, It soon became a part of the United States of America under the Constitution. You will not force me from my land in order for me to maintain my citizenship under that Constitution.
quote:There's nothing special about the union absent the principles it was built upon.
You want to go on the record as saying you would dissolve the Union,
quote:You don't even like the constitution. That's already been covered.
I will consistently maintain my allegiance to the Flag, the Union and the Constitution
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:26 am to TDTOM
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Your side is the poster boy for intolerance.
My "side"? The side of the Union and the United States of America?
In this thread there are two sides being discussed, the side which would dissolve the Union, and the side who would fight to preserve it.
If you believe the side to preserve the Union is the side of intolerance, you're free to take your shite and go.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:28 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:you demonstrate yet again that your next clue will be your first.
If you're so intolerant of others, maybe you need to go - and I'm mean actually take your belongings, get on a boat and leave this land.
You are, in no way, qualified to judge what is or is not 'intolerance', or how that judgement becomes weaponized or utilized.
People that do such, such as yourself, are the enemies of the USA. You get a vote, IF IT IS NOT ADDED TO MASSIVE CHEATING EFFORTS - one vote. Watch the judgements of free Americans, Sparky.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:29 am to WildTchoupitoulas
The union has failed. We should now be a confederacy. Maybe you should be the one to leave.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:31 am to AussieRock
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You don't even like the constitution.
Can you quote, link or even paraphrase any thing I've actually said that would support your above position? Because, from what I can tell, your position is based solely on false assumptions. I disagree with you on dissolving the Union, therefore I don't like the Constitution? That's Orwellian double-speak.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:31 am to ShinerHorns
He can turn damn near any topic into a troll thread.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:35 am to ShinerHorns
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We should now be a confederacy
We tried that. It didn't work.
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The union has failed...Maybe you should be the one to leave.
It's always someone else that has to leave, isn't it? Someone with whom you disagree. I believe the Union is strong, you believe it has failed, therefore you think I should be the one to leave.
Jesus, you can't make this shite up, it's too stupid. Maybe if you think it's failed, you should go. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:37 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:CLUELESS IDIOT ALERT. outta here
Jesus, you can't make this shite up, it's too stupid. Maybe if you think it's failed, you should go. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:42 am to andyv95
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you have to have ONE set of values when it comes to your nation!!!
You're simply wrong. This nation was set up with various tensions. State vs. Fed, individual vs. community, eg. some people value one more than the other. These tensions are not only inherent in our system, they are healthy tensions that help maintain a balance. When everything is a matter of principle, there can be no compromise. Without compromise, there is only intolerance. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices for the good of the country.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:45 am to DesScorp
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because we had been watching "American democracy decline since 2016."
Spoken like a true liberal. I see she has been doing interviews in CNN and msnbc... no fox... She warns of terrible issues with a Trump resurgence in 2024.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:59 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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the enemies of the USA
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:04 am to DesScorp
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Today's toxic atmosphere makes it difficult to negotiate on important issues, which makes people angry with the federal government and has helped create a winner-take-all approach to politics. When the stakes are so high, people are willing to consider extraordinary means to achieve their objectives.
Our Lord and Masters seek such violent confrontations. Yet as January 6th demonstrated, we must resist their wily attempts at such entrapment.
Indeed, the future of freedom in this nation it will not come from any attempt to violently confront the ruling regime in the Washington Beltway but from willful disobedience of the Fed’s increasingly totalitarian dictates.
If Liberty is to continue in this nation, it will arise from peaceful subsidiary, nullification and even secession movements in the individual states. The current crisis continues until enough supporters of limited government reject the “winner take all” mentality of the UniParty® and reject this divide and conquer agenda of the bipartisan reigning junta.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:07 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Then why are you so intolerant of those with whom you disagree?
Gotta love you disingenuous Marxists. With whom we disagree? You mean with those who want to shred our Constitution and fundamentally change America?
Yea, we have no desire to coexist with our enemies.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:08 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Hate to get involved in this argument, but something you posted piqued my curiosity:
Let suppose that, after VJ Day, the duly elected people holding the reigns of government decided that, for the sake of preservation of the Union, it was necessary to keep the wartime restrictions on liberty in place indefinitely. Obviously this would have met with significant opposition, perhaps even as bloody as the labor unrest of a decade earlier, which ultimately involved state-sponsored violence against the striking workers.
In the above hypothetical, wherein the Constitutionally-permitted “National-Socialist state” was in conflict with those citizens who desired a return to the democratic republic that existed prior to wartime, which side would you consider “Patriots” and which side “seditious traitors”?
quote:Accepting your premise - that the representative democratic republic was able to peacefully transition to a “Nationalist-Socialist state” following the attack on Pearl Harbor - prompts an interesting hypothetical I’d like for you to address:
We literally became a Nationalist-Socialist state in order to fight a two-front war against those who declared war upon us. The Constitution allowed for this exigency. It worked as it was supposed to
Let suppose that, after VJ Day, the duly elected people holding the reigns of government decided that, for the sake of preservation of the Union, it was necessary to keep the wartime restrictions on liberty in place indefinitely. Obviously this would have met with significant opposition, perhaps even as bloody as the labor unrest of a decade earlier, which ultimately involved state-sponsored violence against the striking workers.
In the above hypothetical, wherein the Constitutionally-permitted “National-Socialist state” was in conflict with those citizens who desired a return to the democratic republic that existed prior to wartime, which side would you consider “Patriots” and which side “seditious traitors”?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Balderdash. These words are just as relevant today as the day they were written:
“….We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness….”
The Constitution never would have been ratified if the sovereign States believed that ratification meant a compact until death: anyone who has read the actual debates that occurred during the Constitutional Convention can’t argue against that reality.
Our nation was indeed founded upon the right to address irreconcilable differences through political separatism — on that matter there is no debate:
“Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern.... I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family...” Thomas Jefferson, January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:22 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Without compromise, there is only intolerance.
B.S. There is no such thing as reaching political compromise wirh totalitarians hellbent on global domination.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:25 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Sounds like your radical left friends.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Jesus, you can't make this shite up, it's too stupid. Maybe if you think it's failed, you should go. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Here it is straight out of the donkey’s mouth: “Murica! Love it or leave it!”
You are right on one point: you can’t make this sh*+ up!
I’m old enough to remember when progs used to laugh at right-wingers for adopting this mantra. And now it is being regurgitated by progs?
No, I’m not going anywhere brother!
I’m banding together with my ragged (and admittedly often cross-contentious) band of believers who rightly recognize that no legitimate government has the power to sequester our God-endowed Natural Rights and thus reject the increasing tyranny of the Feral Government of the United States!
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:38 am to Toomer Deplorable
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The Constitution never would have been ratified if the sovereign States believed that ratification meant a compact until death: anyone who has read the actual debates that occurred during the Constitutional Convention can’t argue against that reality.
Yup. Hence, Wild has no idea what patriotism or love of country actually is.
It's just a fricking globe location to his dumb arse.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:51 am to flvelo12
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I respectfully put forth that our decline began with the election of Bush in 2000, the 9/11 terrorism attacks & our domestic and international response to said attacks (NSA be damned), the economic bombshell in 2008 and bailout of said corrupt institutions, furthered by the election of feckless Hussein in 2008. Covid and how we have responded to it reinforces our divisions. We continue this downward trajectory presently.
I respectfully disagree. Our republic has been in decline since Abraham Lincoln used the federal government to crush the Constitutional rights of the states. The election of George Bush was the common cold, the election of Abraham Lincoln was cancer.
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