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re: Non partisan topic - any real economic plan by anyone that addresses AI displacement?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
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I hope your day improves,
My day is awesome. I dont have to wait for govt to feed me
You dont either btw. Hopefully this is a lesson learned soon
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Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:19 am to LSUbest
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Well - you could get rid of all the Americans that are used to living comfortably and replace them with the peasants from the world's poorest countries.
Its not the govts job to provide employment for people who refuse to develop skills or advance education.
America was founded on opportunity, not nannyism.
That made the USA great. Even our peasants have an avenue to improve their lives.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:28 am to Powerman
I've never been for raising taxes on anything, but if AI is going to continue to take away jobs (something that was predictable years ago, while people were somehow still excited about the technology), then I say these AI companies should be taxed to the point that they are practically funding the government by themselves (while lowering everyone else's taxes to next to nothing), or to the point that they go out of business.
Companies aren't just going to stop doing what saves them money, voluntarily, so you have to give them strong incentive to move away from what they are doing. Is that constitutional? Not really. Will it ever happen? I doubt it. But I see no other answer. So, it would appear that we are stuck.
Companies aren't just going to stop doing what saves them money, voluntarily, so you have to give them strong incentive to move away from what they are doing. Is that constitutional? Not really. Will it ever happen? I doubt it. But I see no other answer. So, it would appear that we are stuck.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its not the govts job to provide employment for people who refuse to develop skills or advance education
America was founded on opportunity, not nannyism..
Correctamundo. (Too many people believe govt = mommy & daddy )
The almighty gubmint already is by far the largest employer of tens of millions of jobs - directly and in-directly via feral contracts.
IF the able-bodied refuse to take responsibility for their own job training or skills, the Antidote might well be this simple -- mirroring FDR's 1930s "Workfare" programs instead of paying people to do nothing.
Dem-Commies always squawk abut it, though this is a sensible solution to lazy entitled bums, our labor shortage, and needed infrastructure solutions.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:37 am to Bigdawgb
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but what incentive does a government have to subsidize people permanently?
avoiding revolutions which tend to come about from massive displacement of labor.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:39 am to Metaloctopus
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these AI companies should be taxed to the point that they are practically funding the government by themselves
Absolutely, but they're burrowing deep within the government. Are they going to tax themselves?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:41 am to Powerman
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Waymo is already there. Don't let Elons deadline failures remove you from reality. I think people are apprehensive about getting in those cars but eventually the cultural zeitgeist will change.
Where? Where can I see them in any kind of numbers out in the wild, interacting with all the shitty drivers and road rage?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:43 am to TigerDoc
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Absolutely, but they're burrowing deep within the government. Are they going to tax themselves?
That's what I'd like the Trump administration to do about this, to get these people out of government, and do the things I mentioned before, which is why I don't like the buddy relationship he's built with Musk, despite the fact that so many view him as a positive.
I'm only telling you what I think the answer would be, and should be. Not what I expect to happen, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 5/27/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:59 am to anchor_down
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Plenty of folks still waiting for the market to figure out their offshore outsourced jobs. This is outsourcing on a greater scale.
And that's capitalism. Adapt or die.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:59 am to Metaloctopus
exactly, it's corporate capture of the government beyond the scale that we've had since the gilded age. I wish I could be optimistic myself. We're in for some turbulence.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:09 am to Metaloctopus
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I've never been for raising taxes on anything, but if AI is going to continue to take away jobs (something that was predictable years ago, while people were somehow still excited about the technology), then I say these AI companies should be taxed to the point that they are practically funding the government by themselves (while lowering everyone else's taxes to next to nothing), or to the point that they go out of business.
I still think they’re searching for profitability. Not sure how many survive without being able to make money off of the tech.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:13 am to Decatur
yes, that's true. That's how it was for web search and social media - they give away the products for "free" (or at least at a loss) and then eventually eat everything (e.g. what happened to journalism).
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:19 am to Decatur
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I still think they’re searching for profitability.
That will be its demise. How many people from the beginning era of social media still use it? Who still wants to scroll facebook or instagram when you're just inundated with ads now? I'm sure AI will start having sponsored responses soon enough to chase away customers.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:20 am to Powerman
Humankind is more important than AI. You must protect humankind’s usefulness. It will be an ever evolving process.
That said, you will have breakaway civilizations that surrender all human usefulness to AI. We already have the Amish, and I expect other societies like them to manifest.
You will have entities that use AI for harm. They must be punished severely and swiftly, almost need to setup a Nuremberg type court for crimes against humanity created by those using AI for evil.
At a certain level you’ll need manual grid kill switch for entities using AI. Entire industries will be created for AI oversight, so it won’t be all bad news for job creation due to AI.
Much like the internet, it isn’t going away. We can predict much but not all of what will become of society due to AI. Just have to go through the process and hope humanity can adjust. So far history has been kind to that concept.
That said, you will have breakaway civilizations that surrender all human usefulness to AI. We already have the Amish, and I expect other societies like them to manifest.
You will have entities that use AI for harm. They must be punished severely and swiftly, almost need to setup a Nuremberg type court for crimes against humanity created by those using AI for evil.
At a certain level you’ll need manual grid kill switch for entities using AI. Entire industries will be created for AI oversight, so it won’t be all bad news for job creation due to AI.
Much like the internet, it isn’t going away. We can predict much but not all of what will become of society due to AI. Just have to go through the process and hope humanity can adjust. So far history has been kind to that concept.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:22 am to SlayTime
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Humankind is more important than AI.
Humankind needs to become more competent then.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:25 am to Ostrich
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And that's capitalism. Adapt or die.
One does not simply adapt to automation dominating everything. It destroys opportunities that would otherwise be available. Capitalism is great in many ways, and I am certainly a capitalist, myself, but there is no economic system that is perfect. There is no doubt that the government can overreach in it's regulations, but there are times like these where some kind of intervention would seem to be obviously necessary.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:56 pm to 4cubbies
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AI lacks judgment and discretion. It lacks ethics.
You say this as if these tech oligarchs are ethical
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It's not innovative or adaptable. It cannot collaborate with other AI.
This is simply not true
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AI is a tool, not a solution.
That is currently true but won't be true in the future
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:17 pm to Ostrich
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And that's capitalism. Adapt or die.
Or the third option if enough folks cant adapt.....organize and revolt. We should try to avoid that one.
Sam Altman has discussed some form of UBI payed out to American citizens by enormous revenue he expects from the tech. How that would work is still in the research phase but it would be a totally new paradigm in which everyone benefits economically and presumably pursue loftier life goals while the American AI systems do work around the world. There are tons of questions and arguments against that line of thinking but it maybe something we have to consider in the future.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:21 pm to GumboPot
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Do you think AI and robots will replace the farmer, the pipeline welder, the mechanic, the plumber, the electrician, the brick layer, etc.?
Maybe not all of those positions but it does appear that Elon wants to use his optimus bots to do a lot of the 'undesirable work' like roofing
There isn't much of a point in building the bots just for a home assistant. For them to have real economic value they need to be doing work
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