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re: No One Should Fear the Death of Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:00 pm to
wait, what?

any order will have a hard time in courts even without the public outcry

in other words, this has next to zero chance of being "dead"
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19807 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

wait, what?

any order will have a hard time in courts even without the public outcry

in other words, this has next to zero chance of being "dead"



This is true, bad choice of wording by me. I'll change it to "No One Should Fear the Death of Net Neutrality"

However, I do think the chance is much higher than "next to zero"
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 10:10 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:12 pm to
ya, i dont think things will change much either way.

but anyways, seems like its something that could have just been left alone by the GOP and theyd be better off. idk

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260169 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

TL, DR - Giving the government additional power to regulate a $1 trillion dollar industry is never a good plan.

A bit more,

Net Neutrality isn't what you want it to be or what you don't want it to be, it is derived from the letter of the law. It appears that very few people actually know what powers are granted to the government by Title II of the Communications Act of 1934. Title II gives the government the power to impose rate-of-return, raise taxes, levy fees, review and approve/disapprove new business models or technologies, etc.

Is that really a big deal? That depends, does putting $1 trillion in GDP and 2.5 million jobs under the jurisdiction of a new regulatory regime seem like a big deal? Surely, the government wouldn't feel the need to pick winners and losers in this situation. The US government is so honest and so above reproach that it wouldn't be under the influence of the lobbying of Facebook, Google & Amazon. Right?


Ive been trying to tell folks this but they found some meme on Reddit and are running with it.

It gives the government the same powers over your isp that they have over your trash company or electric company
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:17 pm to
Monopolies cannot exist in a truly free market. So...
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20877 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

Monopolies cannot exist in a truly free market.


Sure they can. With enough collusion and with little regulation, monopolies absolutely can exist.

You think someone is going to step up and create another internet anytime soon?
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15675 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:27 pm to
The consumer internet existed without "Net Neutrality" for 25+ years and has continued to improve without it.

If it ain't broke...
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125398 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

The consumer internet existed without "Net Neutrality" for 25+ years and has continued to improve without it.

If it ain't broke...


That is until ISPs decided to change the game and show their true intentions.
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:34 pm to
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Nobody in my family wanted to eat the turkey neck today. So I cut the neck into equal length pieces and told each family member to eat their slice whether they wanted it or not.

I called it Neck Neutrality....


I used the neck, along with the heart and gizzards, to make a damned good turkey stock as a base for my gravy.
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:42 pm to
I have two options for home internet: Comcast or ATT. Both want to throttle me. How does ending NN help me? It doesn’t.

I have two options for cellular service: Verizon or ATT. Both want to throttle me. How does ending NN help me? It doesn’t.

It fricks me. There are NO other options in the sacred holy grounds that is the “free market”.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19807 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

I have two options for home internet: Comcast or ATT. Both want to throttle me. How does ending NN help me? It doesn’t.

I have two options for cellular service: Verizon or ATT. Both want to throttle me. How does ending NN help me? It doesn’t.

It fricks me. There are NO other options in the sacred holy grounds that is the “free market”.


How do you know they want to throttle you? Also, if you have AT&T then you probably also have access to Cricket.
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:50 pm to
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How do you know they want to throttle you?


Well, I guess they haven’t told me personally. But their customer service is stellar. I’m sure they would never do anything that wouldn’t put the customer number 1. It’ll all work out with these providers, I’m sure. They’re good people. They would never try to block another ISP from entering my market. Because they just LOVE competition, don’t they?

/s
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 10:52 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41648 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:04 pm to
It's not s free market because government (usually local) controls the entry. How about we work on government involvement that is harmful to a free and open market before wanting to get more government involvement?
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:10 pm to
No one else can get entry because Comcast and ATT bribe our officials, and block their entry. Our government and our ISPs are one and the same. At least that’s how it is here in Nashville. I’m looking at you, Marsha Blackburn

Free market my fricking arse.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 11:10 pm
Posted by landhawg
Member since Feb 2012
587 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 1:22 am to
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10465 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 1:41 am to
quote:

It appears that very few people actually know what powers are granted to the government by Title II of the Communications Act of 1934. Title II gives the government the power to impose rate-of-return, raise taxes, levy fees, review and approve/disapprove new business models or technologies, etc.


Title II isn't synonymous with net neutrality - quite a few people weren't in favor of the Title II reclassification of ISPs, but agreed that it was ultimately necessary to preserve an open internet.

Had Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, and others not violated the principles of an open and free internet, then they wouldn't have been reclassified as telecommunications services back in 2015. The Title II reclassification was in response to a pattern of devious behaviors from the ISPs.



Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6433 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:11 am to
thus board actually thinks pure unregulated capitalism is a good thing for society.

the free market would RAPE the internet. look at every industry the past 20 years. any excuse to make a fricking dollar.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:22 am to
A lot of dumb in this thread. Not surprised though
Posted by G4LSU
Member since Jan 2009
2411 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:35 am to
No evidence? Of things that have already happened?

Free market? What free market? Ask Google how free the market is while they are in courts for months/years just trying to get access to poles.

Choice? Hahaha one of my 2 choices is 5Mbps(500KB/sec for the slow folk who have drunk themselves stupid) at&t. Guess ill enjoy the 480p streaming video.

Love how everyone is jumping ship from the cable tv model and people here are so caught up in their politics they are cheering on the internet turning into it.

Good luck getting a youtube competitor when youtube is on the basic internet package and the startup is on the equivalent of the Fox sports 8 package for $10 more a month.
Posted by snoggerT
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
755 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 9:02 am to
quote:

thus board actually thinks pure unregulated capitalism is a good thing for society. the free market would RAPE the internet. look at every industry the past 20 years. any excuse to make a fricking dollar.


- Go ahead and name all the times in the past 20 years there were zero regulations/involvement from the government, and a true free market existed.
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