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No One Should Fear the Death of Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:52 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19796 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:52 pm
TL, DR - Giving the government additional power to regulate a $1 trillion dollar industry is never a good plan.

A bit more,

Net Neutrality isn't what you want it to be or what you don't want it to be, it is derived from the letter of the law. It appears that very few people actually know what powers are granted to the government by Title II of the Communications Act of 1934. Title II gives the government the power to impose rate-of-return, raise taxes, levy fees, review and approve/disapprove new business models or technologies, etc.

Is that really a big deal? That depends, does putting $1 trillion in GDP and 2.5 million jobs under the jurisdiction of a new regulatory regime seem like a big deal? Surely, the government wouldn't feel the need to pick winners and losers in this situation. The US government is so honest and so above reproach that it wouldn't be under the influence of the lobbying of Facebook, Google & Amazon. Right?

Title II also generates barriers to entry, that surprisingly, snagged Google Fiber when a citizen filed a complaint with the FCC citing NN rules. Google Fiber had the resources to battle the FCC over this but what about a startup that gets snagged by a similar complaint?

For those that do believe that NN is necessary, well the death of NN rules isn't the end. The future will bring about technology that challenges our current understanding of ISPs and the internet. NN would likely slow progress in some areas but innovation would eventually win out leaving us with another set of obsolete regulations on the books. Also, there are now economic studies out there that show no real winners or losers on the market side. The market has mostly shrugged off the on-again-off-again nature of the NN discussion over the years.

I like the way Tyler Cowen put it,

quote:

I used to favor net neutrality, but I now think we’re at the point where we’ll do just fine without it.








This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:53 pm to
Great news.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21206 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:57 pm to
I welcome the coming apocalypse. May they melt while my ISP service remains the same.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13459 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:58 pm to
But reddit said it was great!!
Posted by Orange_and_Blur
Gainesville
Member since Nov 2017
644 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:00 pm to
But but muh fairness! Muh Google talking points!
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141386 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:02 pm to
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshite. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.

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This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:05 pm to
Guys! The cable company that sells you Newsmax TV, OANN, Blaze TV, Foxnews, and Fox Business is going to block everyone on the internet from accessing anything but what they want you to see! Guys! Guys?
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place


What? They said that the only thing stopping the market from working as intended is government regulation? Color me fricking shocked.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20849 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:10 pm to
quote:

Great news.


I love it when the customer loses and monopolies win.

Helps my portfolio.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20849 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

They said that the only thing stopping the market from working is governement regulation


All monopolies hate antitrust regulations. It just gets in the way of things.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39990 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:12 pm to
Obama's commie internet scheme is dead and soon so will Obamacare!



All thanks to Our President!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126817 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:13 pm to
Nobody in my family wanted to eat the turkey neck today. So I cut the neck into equal length pieces and told each family member to eat their slice whether they wanted it or not.

I called it Neck Neutrality....
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:17 pm to
So how will it affect porn and the offshore gambling sites?

Asking for a friend.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:18 pm to
What it boils down to is some believe what is more profitable for a company is automatically bad for the consumer. Taking it a step further, some believe administrations such as Obama's actually considered consumer protection. It was just another power grab by the government to regulate a market under the cloak of good intentions. Sure, initially you're on board, sounds great (Patriot Act, "Affordable" Care Act). Then down the road you realize maybe, just maybe, a competitive free market wouldn't have been so bad and would have offered a better product.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:33 pm to
Antitrust
Title 2

Pick one
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19796 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshite. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.



In nearly everyone of those instances, the consumer has another choice. A good example would be the current consumer revolt against cable providers. At the end of the day, companies that make bad decisions will be penalized in the market place.
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
1558 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:38 pm to
The Affordable Healthcare Act = unaffordable health care
The Patriot Act = unpatriotic
Net Neutrality = not going to be neutral at all
Posted by landhawg
Member since Feb 2012
587 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

But but muh fairness! Muh Google talking points!
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19796 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

The Affordable Healthcare Act = unaffordable health care
The Patriot Act = unpatriotic


This is what is so crazy to me. People will literally foam at the mouth trashing the above but then be like, "Oh, sure the government has got our back on this NN thing"
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