re: No income taxes. What would that look like?

I suspect it will work as well as the US did pre constitution under the articles of confederation.

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we would need to replace 2.18 trillion dollars why?

Our national debt grows more than that.

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That would 100% be the topic if they were to do this. 2.18 is what the Fed Gov took in income taxes in 2023.

I agree with all of the cut spending and eliminate the bloated agencies.

- cut spending
- increase other consumption taxes
- keep the current income tax in the highest earners (i.e. the “rich” not paying their “fair share”) who already pay the majority of taxes anyway so we’re not losing that rev

this would allow the middle class to explode and thrive in this country

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Several industries would collapse overnight if all taxes were eliminated. Accounting firms, tax attorneys, etc

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Imagine the innovation we could have as a country if these smart people weren’t focused on this mundane bullshite everyday

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I suspect it will work as well as the US did pre constitution under the articles of confederation.

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Trying to turn the clock back to before 1789 to score points is retarded.

That's ignorant at best and more likely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, especially coming from you. The income tax wasn't legalized and introduced until the lead-in to WWI. Before that, we had roads, schools and infrastructure appropriate for the day/age.

Reminder - the concept of an income tax was so onerous to the founding fathers and every subsequent generation that it took a constitutional amendment just to LEGALIZE the practice, much less implement it. Pair that shell game with the lion's share of opponents to the Federal Reserve system going down on the Titanic and you have a recipe for the economic sovereignty of the United States being seized by the western European Central banking system.

The Federal Reserve is neither a part of the federal government, nor do they hold anything in reserve
They are essentially a credit card company whose sole cardholder is the United States federal government, who perpetually takes cash advances on a line of credit which has no appreciable limit.

Your money is worth as much as they tell you it is.

Income taxation is immoral. It needs to be cut out.

But we need to fund government.
We’d have to tax consumption, use tariffs and a few other avenues to raise money

We have 400million people. We need 5 trillion minimum to win this country at current expenses. That could be reduced with clean up of waste and cut programs.

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Wouldn't that fall under financial planning firms?

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It may in many instances. They're welcome to bring on as many of the former tax accountants and CPAs as they'd like to deal with the tidal wave of new investors.

All true.

Aside - watching progressive simps white knight for giving a wholly uncreditworthy organization like the US government prima nocte rights to their earnings is the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.

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We have 400million people. We need 5 trillion minimum to win this country at current expenses. That could be reduced with clean up of waste and cut programs.

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We do not take in 5 trillion in income taxes. We take in 2.18 trillion.

Consumer spending is a major driver of the economy, making up around 70% of the American GDP. The (GDP) in 2023 was $27.36 trillion.

what % would need to be added in a consumption tax that EVERY American pays to replace that (and yes I agree with cutting spending)