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re: Nick Shirley: $80-100 BILLION has been sent around fraudulently inside Minnesota

Posted on 1/6/26 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by Athis
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:11 pm to
Yeah massive fraud & waste. Why I got doge on the brain.

More $$$ for Ukraine. It'll never end until we make it end.
Posted by TheePalmetto
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:13 pm to
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Minnesota's GDP is like $450B. These numbers seem absurd.


If you follow the obvious context clues he’s not talking about $80-100 billion each year. Additionally, I don’t believe you actually understand what the GDP measures or why it’s not applicable here.

Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:53 pm to
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quote:

Nick Shirley: $80-100 BILLION has been sent around fraudulently inside Minnesota

Minnesota's GDP is like $450B. These numbers seem absurd.

I agree that the number seems somewhat inflated, but you are also comparing something that is cumulative (that $80-100B would be the total over several years) to an annual number
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:57 pm to
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(that $80-100B would be the total over several years)
Still seems vastly too high.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 2:59 pm to
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Minnesota's GDP is like $450B. These numbers seem absurd.


The quote said "over the years" not just in one year.

Totally believable.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 3:02 pm to
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quote:

(that $80-100B would be the total over several years)

Still seems vastly too high.

I agree, but at the same time I saw where some of these relaxed policies that helped jump start this fraud came about during COVID. So, that would be 5 1/2 years' worth of fraud or $14.5 - $18.2B per year. I agree that the figures seem inflated, but when you consider that it has been going on for 5+ years; it does sound more believable.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:17 pm to
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I agree, but at the same time I saw where some of these relaxed policies that helped jump start this fraud came about during COVID. So, that would be 5 1/2 years' worth of fraud or $14.5 - $18.2B per year. I agree that the figures seem inflated, but when you consider that it has been going on for 5+ years; it does sound more believable.
Slightly. I would maybe believe up to $3B/year. One of the main ones Matt Walsh highlighted the other day was some restaurant. It was $12M. There'd have to be 250 of that size to get to $3B. What was the median daycare - $1.5M?
Posted by L1C4
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:28 pm to
Who is this David guy, and why should I believe anything he says?
Posted by BigEasy92
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 7:52 am to
That’s what I’m not sure about. $100 billion is a lot.

Although, the Pentagon has failed its 8th audit and $8 trillion is unaccounted for so…

Which fraud case is worse?
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 7:56 am to
This never happens if .Gov is forced to spend ONLY what it revenues. Printing money makes it easy for people to say “why not?”
Posted by OU Guy
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:07 am to
Its all rigged. Amazing how bad the corruption is.

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Posted by RollTide4547
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:45 am to
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that's beginning to sound a little hard to believe.
Is it really hard for you to believe or do you just not want to believe it?
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 3:59 pm to
Nick was asked how much money was fraudulently spent in Minnesota “OVER THE YEARS”. He replied $80-100 million. Not all was in one year.
Posted by Rebel
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 4:11 pm to
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Minnesota's GDP is like $450B. These numbers seem absurd.


I swear you are the dumbest person yo ever post here.

The fraud escalated once the American Rescue Plan was enacted.

450b is MN annual GDP.

Majority of the fraud happened over last 5 years.

Can you do the math from here, or do I need to help you with that too?
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