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Posted on 6/13/26 at 6:57 pm to lurking
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Byron Donalds is on record agreeing with Kamala Harris on several issues. All of them centered around race. He’s also published articles where he calls for more “equity” in both government and private lending.
he got in a public spat with desantis over some race related educational issue I believe
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:42 am to 632627
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Show us where “Israel” has donated a single dollar to any US election. AIPAC isn’t Israel.
I’m really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in that you’re trying to have a serious conversation but you’re making it hard.
Here is the opening statement from AIPACs website:
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AMERICANS STRENGTHENING
THE U.S.-ISRAEL PARTNERSHIP
AIPAC works with Democrats and Republicans to strengthen America's relationship with Israel through lobbying, political support, and grassroots advocacy.
AIPAC
So either you’re wrong or they are.
As for Donalds and his relationship with Israel:
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Byron Donalds has longstanding support from pro-Israel groups (including elements of what is often called the “Israel lobby”)
-He’s accepted money from AIPAC during his congressional runs.
-He speaks at the RJC conference regularly.
-Jeff Yass who is one of his biggest donors and backers has very close ties to Israel.
How you view that is up to you but in a state that just pushed some of the most aggressive free speech limits in the country on behalf of that lobby it’s a valid political issue.
But again, none of that is what’s driving this race.
The Trump endorsement is what propelled Donalds to the lead spot and that was in part made to thwart DeSantis who Trump still holds a grudge against from backing his wife or another allied FL politician from becoming established as the front runner.
Without Trumps backing Donalds is just some congressman who used to be a democrat trying to establish his brand in a state where most people wouldn’t even know his name relative to other potential candidates.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:48 am to tide06
They always attempt to make the claim that AIPAC is simply an all American institution as if it was not created by Mossad.
Israel would never leave that much money and influence up to people trying to make America better.
I just laugh at the defense of AIPAC.
But, their new love of AIPAC is very recent. Wasn’t that long ago when AIPAC was not revered. Strange and fluid situation. Can’t quite put my finger on why.
Israel would never leave that much money and influence up to people trying to make America better.
I just laugh at the defense of AIPAC.
But, their new love of AIPAC is very recent. Wasn’t that long ago when AIPAC was not revered. Strange and fluid situation. Can’t quite put my finger on why.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:59 am to roadGator
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I just laugh at the defense of AIPAC.
I just don’t get it, especially among people who see themselves as right wing.
If it were China or Russia influencing domestic politics the way Israel does using direct donations and a bunch of billionaires there would be cries of election interference and demands we cut ties completely for subverting our political process.
No other country gets a free pass like this and it’s only from people who claim to want to “Make America Great Again”.
How TF does letting a foreign nation interfere with our politics make us great?
Why the hell are “right wing” republicans trying to pass federal legislation to merge our intelligence agencies with Israel’s like it’s a leveraged takeover in business or something?
It’s insanity and they never justify it, they just attack people who point it out because ultimately they know it’s an indefensible position to have. So because they can’t justify it logically they have to try to scare people off from having it in the first place like a leftist screaming racism as soon as they start losing an argument.
Madness.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:03 am to tide06
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So because they can’t justify it logically they have to try to scare people off from having it in the first place like a leftist screaming racism as soon as they start losing an argument.
Some other progressives traits have also been borrowed by these same people.
I find the psychology of it all fascinating.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:06 am to tide06
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I just don’t get it, especially among people who see themselves as right wing.
It’s mostly evangelicals/protestants that are happy to sacrifice America to fulfill what they believe is biblical prophecy.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 8:08 am to tide06
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So either you’re wrong or they are
AIPAC is American citizens lobbying in favor of a strengthened relationship with Israel. It’s not Israel directly influencing our politics. No harm in being critical of that, but call it for what it is; saying that Israel is influencing local and state elections is a complete lie.
Regarding Donalds, as i suspected, his “aipac” funding was 100% tied to his congressional campaigns, and has nothing to do with his gubernatorial run.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 8:21 am to 632627
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AIPAC is American citizens lobbying in favor of a strengthened relationship with Israel. It’s not Israel directly influencing our politics.
Your premise is a distinction without a difference.
They coordinate. Openly.
They’re driving towards the same strategic outcome per their own words.
AIPAC isn’t advocating on behalf of what’s best for American Jewish voters domestically, its stated purpose is to advocate for the interests of a foreign nation, specifically Israel.
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saying that Israel is influencing local and state elections is a complete lie.
The same “US” donors you reference that are donating to AIPAC are donating to these races. Is it your position that their intent is different at the state level than it is at the national level with their political donations and activism?
It’s clearly not when they just forced through unprecedented antisemitism laws in the state of FL that limit speech and can jail people for violations at the direct behest on the same activist donors.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:03 am to tide06
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The same “US” donors you reference that are donating to AIPAC are donating to these races. Is it your position that their intent is different at the state level than it is at the national level with their political donations and activism? It’s clearly not when they just forced through unprecedented antisemitism laws in the state of FL that limit speech and can jail people for violations at the direct behest on the same activist donors.
Again, Israel is a matter of foreign policy, and no state official anywhere has any say in foreign policy.
There’s civil rights and hate crime laws on the books everywhere. Who’s been jailed in Florida simply for antisemitism? Dan Bilzerian is free to run around Miami Beach yelling out kike as loud as he can.
All these laws do is establish a definition (in this case antisemitism) to either enhance other crimes to hate crime status, or limit certain activities under state authority (eg a school teacher can’t teach students the holocaust didn’t exist). None of this shite impacts a private citizens 1st amendment rights.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:31 am to roadGator
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Link added:
Saudi based "track aipac" isn't a legitimate source for unbiased or accurate info.
according to google, aipac's own filing with the federal government explicitly states they only donate to federal elections.
their filing is public record on fec.gov. 100% of their spending is federal.
all this whining about Israel and AIPAC in the Florida gubernatorial race is retard grievance politics. thankfully your beloved Fishback doesn't poll well with the over 100 iq demographic
This post was edited on 6/14/26 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:38 am to 632627
i hope he continues what Ron has done, get taxes down so i can retire in florida since Abbott continues to disappoint.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:51 am to 632627
I’m not trying to change the mind of someone that doesn’t believe AIPAC isn’t lobbying and buying politicians on behalf of Israel. No point.
Nice try, Mossad.
Nice try, Mossad.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:56 am to roadGator
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I’m not trying to change the mind of someone that doesn’t believe AIPAC isn’t lobbying and buying politicians on behalf of Israel. No point.
Never said that aipac doesn’t lobby on behalf of Israel.
I was specifically refuting the claim that Israel meddles in state and local elections.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:37 pm to tide06
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Opposing AIPAC doesnt make someone a Fuentes candidate
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:56 am to 632627
All of what you just said is at the direct lobbying of the very groups and donors you are claiming don't have an impact on local FL politics.
And yes, it is in fact being used to expel students and yes it explicitly can be used to jail FL residents for making antisemitic statements which is absolutely a violation of their 1st amendment rights as much as it would be to jail someone for using the N word or calling an Italian person a wop.
If you're in favor of jailing people for calling people names you don't like you are not by any definition a free speech advocate and are openly violating the first amendment.
This law is actively being used to expel students in the state of Florida from school even when the statement was made on social media and not directed at other students. That's a clear violation of the first amendment and there's zero question that as the law is written the student could be jailed and only hasn't been at the discretion of the local prosecutor, not because they didn't violate the law that was advocated for by Jewish and Israel donors.
Gainesville: UF Student Expelled over Antisemitic Posts
And yes, it is in fact being used to expel students and yes it explicitly can be used to jail FL residents for making antisemitic statements which is absolutely a violation of their 1st amendment rights as much as it would be to jail someone for using the N word or calling an Italian person a wop.
If you're in favor of jailing people for calling people names you don't like you are not by any definition a free speech advocate and are openly violating the first amendment.
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Florida has codified a legal definition of antisemitism based on the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) working definition, which treats discrimination against Jewish individuals identically to racial discrimination in public education. Enacted primarily through House Bill 187 (2024) and earlier House Bill 741 (2019)
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Key Provisions and Definitions
The statute defines antisemitism as a perception of Jewish individuals expressed as hatred, encompassing both rhetorical and physical manifestations directed at people, property, or institutions. Specific prohibited behaviors include Holocaust denial, making dehumanizing stereotypes about Jewish power, and applying double standards to Israel not expected of other democratic nations.
This law is actively being used to expel students in the state of Florida from school even when the statement was made on social media and not directed at other students. That's a clear violation of the first amendment and there's zero question that as the law is written the student could be jailed and only hasn't been at the discretion of the local prosecutor, not because they didn't violate the law that was advocated for by Jewish and Israel donors.
Gainesville: UF Student Expelled over Antisemitic Posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:02 am to TigerAxeOK
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Please explain this like I drive a $400 1991 Chevy Caprice with $22,000 32-inch rims?
Man that triggered a memory. I once piped up at work, "Have you ever seen that old Dodge Neon outside with the $5K rims and tires? How does that even make sense?"
A black woman piped up, "They can't afford the insurance on a newer model car."
Some things will leave you speechless
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:22 am to tide06
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This law is actively being used to expel students in the state of Florida from school even when the statement was made on social media and not directed at other students. That's a clear violation of the first amendment
There’s been numerous instances (posted on this message board) about hateful libs getting fired for distasteful social media posts on Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump. What’s the difference ?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:39 am to Speckhunter2012
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Next Governor of the State of Florida
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Byron Donalds
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