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re: New shooting in Minnesota

Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:02 pm to
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Everyone is firing at the same time because they believed there to be a threat. You think this was premeditated? That's retarded.

Let me ask you a question. Is the corollary of your theory also correct? Meaning, if there are a bunch of cops with their guns out during a situation from a similar vantage point and only one shoots….immediately NOT a good shot?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44172 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:02 pm to
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You know of an officer-involved shooting where a cop killed an unarmed person and got away with it because they said they thought the decedent was armed without any objective evidence to support that belief ?


This reminds of the narrative put forth concerning an incident in Baton Rouge back in the day.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138654 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:02 pm to
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The guy who was killed is not the person who bit his finger.
Who bit his finger, and why aren't they dead?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44172 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

immediately NOT a good shot?


I would say that is unknown.

Why, what info are you privy to?
Posted by rocksteady
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:04 pm to
Final form: Actual gay retard zombies trying to eat us
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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128742 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:04 pm to
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it still depends.


Not really.
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34970 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:05 pm to
I just got time to watch the videos. I think whoever fired shots is fricked.

I realize things are moving fast in that situation, but I didn’t see any angle showing the guy brandishing his weapon (it’s possible I missed one). And it looks like one of the ICE agents took it away from him a second or two before shots were fired.

It also looks like this guy never got physical with any of the agents and was trying to help another citizen out after they got pushed down.

I’ve been supportive of what ICE has done so far and thought the first shooting was justified. This one looks pretty bad IMO.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:06 pm to
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onmymedicalgrind
Talk to us about Lisfranc injury, Nov surgical stabilization, and recovery expectations.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476296 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:06 pm to
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Not really.


The USSC standard is case by case based on the facts of each case.

There is also a reasonableness standard included in the analysis.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

Let me ask you a question. Is the corollary of your theory also correct? Meaning, if there are a bunch of cops with their guns out during a situation from a similar vantage point and only one shoots….immediately NOT a good shot?


Reword your question to be more straightforward.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:07 pm to
Lol no you haven’t but thanks for your concern!
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128742 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:07 pm to
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It also looks like this guy never got physical with any of the agents and was trying to help another citizen out after they got pushed down.


Well, this just isn’t true.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Member since Nov 2009
7230 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:08 pm to
The problem with video is life doesn't start when a video begins. We don't know what this guy was doing prior. The officer approaches like he knows well who this guy is.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138654 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:09 pm to
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That makes sense because the video doesn't indicate that seems likely
The video indicates nothing except outcome.
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34970 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:09 pm to
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Well, this just isn’t true.


You mind linking me to a video showing otherwise?

It’s honestly somewhat difficult to follow some of the videos due to a lot of the people wearing similar colors.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128742 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:09 pm to
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There is also a reasonableness standard included in the analysis.


Once you’ve had serious physical injury, it seems clear that you are in danger of serious physical injury.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41288 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:09 pm to
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Talk to us about Lisfranc injury, Nov surgical stabilization, and recovery expectations.


He doesn’t know what any of those words mean.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128742 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:10 pm to
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You mind linking me to a video showing otherwise?


Every video I’ve seen shows him making contact with the officers multiple times.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476296 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:10 pm to
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Once you’ve had serious physical injury, it seems clear that you are in danger of serious physical injury.


Again, its' case by case with a reasonableness standard.

Any non-lethal threat isn't going to lead strongly one way or the other by itself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476296 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:11 pm to
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He doesn’t know what any of those words mean.


He's a doctor (MD, not pHD)
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