re: Net Neutrality People Have Convinced Me

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This isn’t the government “taking over” ISPs.

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Ummm

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So, we, you and I, paid for a part of what they now own and maintain, and I now fully pay for them to maintain it via subscription to their services. I’d like a say in what they can and cannot do with the infrastructure I helped provide them with.

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We shouldn’t have subsidized this activity. And what you describe is govt control of ISPs and the justification for it.

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Plus Google, FB, Twitter already do this.

And why couldn't they do that already? Tell me the regulations NN has in place to keep that from happening.

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They are the content not the gateway to the content

This is basic shite you guys just don’t grasp

Please read the article I linked about Netflix and Comcast because you don't have a clue about what happened and are spreading false information.

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e said that it’s a good thing they’re about to get rid of it

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Yeah, because then when you call to dispute those hidden fees they can tell you to shove it.

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Just to ease everyone’s mind on getting rid of NN. A few days ago I disputed a charge on my cox bill. After asking for a supervisor and getting everything straight I asked him what he thought about NN. He said that it’s a good thing they’re about to get rid of it and it will only be good for their customers.

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I've completely lost the ability to tell when people are trolling on this board.

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Speed getting faster is not what this is about

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ok, because that doesn't fit your narrative of "Muh isp is trying to provide me with shite service"

What is it about because I've never tried to go to a site and not been able to access it unless the government shut it down.

The internet has progressed over the years without your NN and in spite of it the last 2 years.

And don't say "Comcast throttled muh Netflix" because that didn't happen either.

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Wasn't this originally passed in 2015? If so, why didn't we have these addons before 2015?

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Nope. It’s more like having a mail order business and having the government force UPS and Fedex to deliver your packages—for free.

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You are just awful with your analogies. Nobody said anything about free.

Netflix pays their ISP to "ship" their product. Netflix's customers pay their ISPs to "deliver" the product. The ISPs want to double-dip on the delivery charges.


So let's correct your mail order business analogy, modified to better align with the way "shipping" works on the internet.

I ship out orders every day, and I pay UPS/Fedex for their services. We have a good business relationship. I give them money, they provide me with the service of transporting my product. But they can't deliver directly to my customers. The only way to access them is to drop my packages at the town warehouse, and the local shipping company takes them from there and delivers them to the end customers. That service isn't free, of course, and the customers dutifully pay their monthly fees to have their packages delivered each day. This is also a generally good business relationship.

But then the local shipper realizes that they've got me by the balls. I can't sell product unless they do their job (that they've already been paid to do), so they start holding my packages and ask me to pay them more money. What the frick? I paid for the leg from me to the town warehouse, and my customer paid for the leg from the warehouse to their home. What's the extra fee for? They aren't charging my competitors any extra fees, they're sending their products on to their customers as they've been paid to do. Why do my prices have to reflect this cost that came out of thin air, but my competitors' prices don't? They aren't adding any value. Rather, they are taking money from their customers, giving them no value in return, then charging me again for the value that they've stolen from their customers. It's theft, it's extortion, it's a private company taxing another company. It's wrong.

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If Netflix is fully dependent on isps to deliver their product—they need to pay for the that value.

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You always forget about the customer who has paid for that value... AND NOT GETTING THE VALUE.

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Not demand it via the strong arm of the government.

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Well son of a bitch, if government should serve any purpose, shouldn't it be to prevent companies from stealing money from their customers and not providing any value in return?

Seems to me that if they theottled a site, they would lose customers. That is how the free market regulates itself. You throttle what I like, Ill go somewhere else that doesn't. I think this whole *throttling fear" is a boogeyman being pushed by liberals who want government rsgulation. If one isp decides not to show what people want, then they lose business. And they aren't in to losing money...