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re: Nebraska: Women overwhelmed with joy and in tears, after abortion ban bill fails
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:54 am to lake chuck fan
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:54 am to lake chuck fan
The only line that can be drawn that is not arbitrary is life begins at conception.
Anything further down the line is completely subjective and requires some form of justification that deviates from biology.
Anything further down the line is completely subjective and requires some form of justification that deviates from biology.
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Posted on 5/1/23 at 12:15 pm to subotic
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Anything further down the line is completely subjective and requires some form of justification that deviates from biology.
I used to wonder how could normal germans justify what was going on with the Jews but what we're doing now to babies in this country is worse than the holocaust yet so many people justify it with nonsense.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:18 pm to DavidTheGnome
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But anyways I don't care how they feel, I asked if they were conscious.
Honest question, not meant as a gotcha. For both you and Hank.
We all know AI is developing at a rapid pace, as most recently highlighted by the interview Elon Musk had with Tucker Carlson and a 60 minute special.
I am not sure if and when it is possible. But many people believe some time in the possibility near future, we will have AI that is "self aware" and may resemble some form of "consciousness".
If this were to be reality, do you believe in your view, it would be as wrong to destroy a machine or cut off its power supply, as it would be to say murder an innocent adult human? Again, this machine may display all the basic characteristics and requirements to meet your threshold that gives a person value and rights. Why then, under that same pretense would that machine not also meet that standard? What is different?
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:24 pm to Schleynole
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I used to wonder how could normal germans justify what was going on with the Jews but what we're doing now to babies in this country is worse than the holocaust yet so many people justify it with nonsense.
Same way slavery was justified throughout world history. It can only happen, by diminishing different groups of people as "less than or not fully human".
No decent person could ever treat fellow humans this way without having been led into a lie like (blacks aren't people, Jews aren't people, babies in the womb aren't people)
This is why they fight so hard to make the human child in the womb be something like an embryo or a zygote or a clump of cells. They would never be able to justify this behavior if they knew that it is murder.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:56 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:Absent a spontaneous abortion or a planned one the human child in its mother’s womb will develop, be delivered, and continue to develop to maturity outside the womb and, for a rather long extended period, quite necessarily protected by the parents and others from doing itself harm or being harmed.
Except it’s not. Not fully. There’s no consciousness and while developing into a full fledged person it’s not there yet.
All of this human child’s life develops over a spectrum from physical conception to physical death.
In my opinion it’s ghoulish to arbitrarily assign any point along this continuum allowing human life to be extinguished for a supposed right of the child’s mother to kill her child in the womb.
America’s War on the Unborn, our Holocaust, has killed 65,000,000 human infants and is cavalierly justified by coffee house semantics, and intellectually dishonest rhetoric. It’s bizarre. Perhaps demonic even.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:01 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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cavalierly justified by coffee house semantics
These coffee house semantics inevitably start with the need for abortion and work backwards to the philosophical justification. None of them start with developing a philosophy of personhood and being and working forwards towards the ethics of life.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:10 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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America’s War on the Unborn, our Holocaust, has killed 65,000,000 human infants and is cavalierly justified by coffee house semantics, and intellectually dishonest rhetoric. It’s bizarre. Perhaps demonic even.
Are you prepared to raise your taxes to help support all of the newborns who inevitably will need it? To end the Holocaust ya know
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Are you prepared to raise your taxes
I'd rather ban women who have abortions from ever having children.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 3:14 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Are you prepared to raise your taxes to help sup
We can cutout waste and end some programs and federal jobs and use that money. I would rather money go to American babies than Ukraine any day.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'd rather ban women who have abortions from ever having children.
Well that’s impossible.
And hell the men played half the role in getting her pregnant, better "ban" them too. Probably smart to ban anyone not married from coming into contact with the opposite sex, might work? You and I both know that’s not realistic though
Posted on 5/1/23 at 3:41 pm to SOSFAN
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We can cutout waste and end some programs and federal jobs and use that money. I would rather money go to American babies than Ukraine any day.
I agree we need to cut spending. The amount spent on Ukraine won’t be enough to support all the newborn children that result, not to mention the societal costs that come from millions more newborn kids that grow up in poverty and the crimes they’ll ultimately commit.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 3:42 pm to DavidTheGnome
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And hell the men played half the role in getting her pregnant, better "ban" them too.
Men have no say in the matter. Not because its right, because you people are reprehensible.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Men have no say in the matter. Not because its right, because you people are reprehensible.
Are the women raping them?
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:05 pm to Jack Carter
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quote: What’s the golden number of cells to where a human is of moral significance to you? This seems as arbitrary a metric as any. OK, How about we all agree to a heart beat? Let's see which of the loudmouths on this thread remain silent like COWARDS
You can see the heart beating on ultrasound at 5 weeks. Clearly alive!
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:19 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Are you prepared to raise your taxes to help support all of the newborns who inevitably will need it? To end the Holocaust ya know
Absolutely, we're talking about murdering babies. Using your logic you would be ok with killing poor children to save tax dollars. This is pure evil.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:32 pm to Ann Arbor Tiger
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You can see the heart beating on ultrasound at 5 weeks. Clearly alive!
As was said earlier in the thread, what does a circulatory system have to do with anything? No one is saying that the fetus isn’t alive anyways.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:35 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Are you prepared to raise your taxes to help support all of the newborns who inevitably will need it? To end the Holocaust ya know
So what are you advocating for eugenics now? This is obviously a loaded question meant to distract from the premise, but I would argue that a more decent, moral society that puts the traditional nuclear family unit at the forefront, and defends the most precious and innocent people amongst us, likely wouldn't need some all encompassing, bloated federal government to pay for more babies. We would be more independent and responsible.
I could get side tracked on explaining all the reasons why, but none of this makes sense when we don't even agree on the premise. If abortion is just equivalent to removing a cyst, as you seem to see it. And I see it as equivalent to cold blooded murder, how can we ever get beyond this base level. Why would you even go beyond that point, if you just see it as a simple cosmetic removal procedure and nothing else. What else is there to justify or argue about, when getting into helping huge corporations like Citibank make a few extra bucks as some justification for chopping up babies.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:36 pm to Schleynole
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Absolutely, we're talking about murdering babies. Using your logic you would be ok with killing poor children to save tax dollars. This is pure evil.
I’ve been told numerous times on here by plenty of different people they are not okay with raising taxes to support all the new births is the reason I ask. I’m glad you don’t fall into that camp and recognize the reality of it all, there are plenty of others who take the approach they wouldn’t be okay with it and "the whore mother never should have spread her legs, so she can deal with it" etc (although not mentioning the whore father, just that the mother is one). Well she obviously can’t in most instances and will need help so at least you recognize this.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:37 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Are you prepared to raise your taxes to help support all of the newborns who inevitably will need it? To end the Holocaust ya know
If that is what it takes to stop the murdering of innocent babies in the womb then yes I'm prepared to do that.
To me ending abortion is way higher on the importance level than lower taxes.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:38 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’ve been told numerous times on here by plenty of different people they are not okay with raising taxes to support all the new births is the reason I ask. I’m glad you don’t fall into that camp and recognize the reality of it all, there are plenty of others who take the approach they wouldn’t be okay with it and "the whore mother never should have spread her legs, so she can deal with it" etc (although not mentioning the whore father, just that the mother is one). Well she obviously can’t in most instances and will need help so at least you recognize this.
taxes go to abortions, so you are paying either way.
Also weve imported one person for every abortion. So you are still paying.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 4:39 pm
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