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Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:52 am to Bench McElroy
Oh look.
ANOTHER post without comment from a liberal.
If, for some reason, all media was cut off, you people wouldn't be able to think of something to say on your own
ANOTHER post without comment from a liberal.
If, for some reason, all media was cut off, you people wouldn't be able to think of something to say on your own
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:16 am to RollTide1987
quote:
But let's not re-invent history further and try to make the man out as some evil, scum of the earth human.
All slave owners were evil, scum of the earth.......
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:17 am to ShortyRob
lee was a bad general and even worse of a person
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:19 am to RollTide1987
[quote]Yeah, Lee was a white supremacist but so was just about every single man, woman, and child in nineteenth century America. The only group of people who went around saying blacks were equal to whites in those days were the Abolitionists - and they were a small, but vocal minority.[/
You are leaving out a sizable portion of the population, especially in the south, who KNEW blacks were equal to whites....and that was black folks....but of course they don't count......
You are leaving out a sizable portion of the population, especially in the south, who KNEW blacks were equal to whites....and that was black folks....but of course they don't count......
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:22 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Lee lost half his army to desertion in 10 days. Thirty thousand of his soldiers had business elsewhere. That is totally ignored. No general like that could be called successful.
Nor any army that would see 50% of its members desert an army of heroes.......an army of cowards! yes! heroes? Not a chance.....
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:40 am to RollTide1987
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The only group of people who went around saying blacks were equal to whites in those days were the Abolitionists - and they were a small, but vocal minority.
This is the indelible truth. I have made this point in almost every thread demeaning the southern people as evil racists while praising the northern people as noble defenders of truth.
The fact is that if you took the very same people, with their same blood lines and same intelligence and same principles and switched their places of birth = the very same people who are now celebrated as heroes would become the vile oppressors and vice versa.
The problem was the era in which they lived, not their innate beliefs of decency and right vs wrong.
Those who continue to demean the motives of entire populations whose practices were out of line with modern thinking (which has been driven far far towards idiotic meaningless political correctness by modern politicians with evil hearts) are simply 'virtue signaling' in the worst definition of that moniker.
They should be roundly laughed out of any discussion = or mocked viciously.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:46 am to Bench McElroy
quote:It is a foundationless article.
Myth of Robert E. Lee: Legend of Robert E. Lee's heroism and decency is based on fiction
Serwer's insinuation is that history was somehow revised and is now being corrected. In fact though, his Atlantic piece is what constitutes yet another attempt to rewrite history. In this instance it is rewriting a history containing volumes upon volumes of contemporary observations, each in opposition to his thesis.
His lack of shame even extends to rewriting current events. He insinuates that if somehow New Orleans' Lee Circle were instead Longstreet Circle, all would be fine. In light of idiots in New Orleans proposing removal of Jackson's statue in Jackson Square, Serwer's premise is moronic.
In terms of his attacks on Lee, he admits Lee was a great general, he admits many of his attributes, and then tries to peg Virginia's secession on him. He attacks Lee's racial attitudes, yet ignores their similarities with many pro-Unionists of his time including Lincoln. He contradicts volumes of contemporary accounts of Lee's decency, and presence, and instead attempts to recreate an antithetical fiction whole cloth.
It's third rate fantasy.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:54 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:In light of many of your contentions, and those of the OP article, there is tremendous irony in your citing "proof".
There is no proof of that story.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Lee was not a good man or a good general either. Most History Channel shows the unfounded myth. I saw one yesterday.
history channel?
was that sandwiched between episodes of ancient aliens?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
Lee was not a good man or a good general either. Most History Channel shows the unfounded myth. I saw one yesterday.
So you watched propaganda to get your facts about some propaganda?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:55 am to NC_Tigah
Our Country would be much better off today if we had more men like General Lee.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:56 am to Bench McElroy
It doesn't even read as an attempt to revise history. It reads like a typical opinion piece.
The same strategy of revising history with out of context revision can be done with any leader of that era.
As an example, could not the same be done with Lincoln? Lincoln personally saw to it that the economic and moral destruction of the South was achieved. He knowingly supported a large scale effort to destroy the lives of fellow Americans through rape and the involuntary confiscation and destruction of their property through Sherman's March.
The same strategy of revising history with out of context revision can be done with any leader of that era.
As an example, could not the same be done with Lincoln? Lincoln personally saw to it that the economic and moral destruction of the South was achieved. He knowingly supported a large scale effort to destroy the lives of fellow Americans through rape and the involuntary confiscation and destruction of their property through Sherman's March.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:57 am to Bench McElroy
Why is this on the political board?
Shouldn't history threads be on the OT?
Shouldn't history threads be on the OT?
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:57 am to Willie Stroker
Ihnorant...worse......Liberal propaganda...
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:01 am to Bench McElroy
Actually Robert e Lee was friends with Abe Lincoln and begged him not to attack the south but Abe did anyway on orders from his globalist masters.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:02 am to Bench McElroy
FWIW
Didn't even read that wall of revisionist history.
Didn't even read that wall of revisionist history.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:03 am to ChineseBandit58
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The only group of people who went around saying blacks were equal to whites in those days were the Abolitionists - and they were a small, but vocal minority.
This is the indelible truth.
Well, and Thomas Jefferson.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
And Abraham Lincoln.
"Now I protest against that counterfeit logic which concludes that, because I do not want a black woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. I need not have her for either, I can just leave her alone. In some respects she certainly is not my equal; but in her natural right to eat the bread she earns with her own hands without asking leave of any one else, she is my equal, and the equal of all others."
6/26/57
This is rich.
"When Frederick Douglass came to Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural reception in 1865, policemen blocked his way — until the President came to welcome him.
"Here comes my friend Douglass," Lincoln said, taking Douglass by the hand."There is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours."
LINK
Douglass had tickets - sent over by the president - but the cops still wouldn't let him in.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:04 am to Bench McElroy
I don't know about all that, and I was raised to think well of RE Lee, but I will say that the breaking up of slave families was truly a cruel and inexcusable act.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:06 am to Bench McElroy
Lee, the Civil War, and slavery were all a myth.
There would be monuments if that stuff had happened.
There would be monuments if that stuff had happened.
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