re: My list of worst 5 presidents ever

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just trying to shed some light on his presidency because no one seems to have a clue about it,

Go for it. You'd be the first one to actually have an informed opinion of Carter in a long time.

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That wasn't my quote.

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Got a list?

Would you compare that list to a similar one for Nixon?

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I'm not arguing that Nixon gets a pass for stuff that happened and Carter doesn't but we have to face reality as presented us ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, and the reality was Carter was simply an ineffective POTUS with regards to all the bad shite that happened during that term as eloquently listed in a previous post and that ineffectiveness was reflected and justified by his incredibly close Democratic primary battle with TED KENNEDY OF ALL PEOPLE and resounding defeat to Reagan in 1980 I mean the dude escalated the Cold War by ending detente with the Soviets and his Fed Chair appointee's loose monetary policy contributed to high inflation I'm not coming at this from a partisan perspective, I'm coming at this from an objective, open-minded perspective and that's how these people ought to be judged to be fair

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1. Roosevelt
2. Obama
3. Lincoln
4. Wilson
5 Carter

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good list

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2. Trump - Dividing the country, "Some very fine people on both sides"

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Obama divided the country with his lies of "hope and change" long before Trump even decided to run.

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3. Trump - Lowest approval rating, pick a source

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His approval ratings are at 50%

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5. Trump - Just ain't done shite

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Largest Tax reform in history.

Unemployment at historic low.

Most amount of executive orders and regulations repealed.

Removed the mandate effectively ending Obama Care.

Got us out of Paris accord.

Stopped giving away billions of dollars to Iran.

once again thanks for your wonderful thoughts on this matter. no hate involved just pure insiteful thought

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3) Lincoln: killed 600,000+ Americans

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Quite a generalization. But it's nice to hear from irrational liberals.

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Trump and the circumstances surrounding his Presidency have probably divided the country for the remainder of the older generation's life span. I count a opportunistic nationalist bringing out the very worst of what this country has to offer in high esteem. Hence the ranking.

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I like you, dev. I really do. But I don't get why you keep on making these blanket, widely generalizing statements about half of American voters. Are there bad people on both sides of the aisle? Sure, but they are a fringe. I think the vast (95% and up) of people on both sides of the aisle have the same goals, they just disagree on how to get there.

You can choose to live in paranoia and fear that a significant portion of America wants to get you or bring down the country...I refuse to believe that, because my own personal life has shown me time and time again that most people are good hearted.

I think you need to stop watching the daily show or colbert or whatever, where they show you caricatures of southerners, midwesterners, working class people, etc. I think if you went to some of these small towns, you'd be surprised at the genuine agreements you'd have with them about what their vision for America is.

You would rightfully be upset if I generalized black inner cities as places where everyone is violent, lazy, on welfare, hopeless, "the worst of America", etc.

Those "worst of America" that you mentioned in your post...many of them, millions in fact, were solid dems before 2016, just look at some midwest areas and counties...trump was first repub to win them since the 1920s.

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rump and the circumstances surrounding his Presidency have probably divided the country for the remainder of the older generation's life span.

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This country has been divided looooonnng before trump. And don't sit there and say he caused it....both sides are equally complicit in the division, because both sides make caricatures of the other side, assume the worst of them, in order to feel good and safe about their own beliefs system.

I see absolutely NO EFFORT by you to seek to heal the division. Instead you make vague generalizations about trump voters being the "worst of what we have to offer". Despicable.

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But I don't get why you keep on making these blanket, widely generalizing statements about half of American voters.

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This board alone has reinforced any and all misgivings I've had. Yourself included now that some of your actual views have slipped in.

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You would rightfully be upset if I generalized black inner cities as places where everyone is violent, lazy, on welfare, hopeless, "the worst of America", etc.

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Umm...This is stated on this board every couple days to raucous upvotes and applause. And my side gets banned if we point it out. Hell I might get banned for pointing THAT out.

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This country has been divided looooonnng before trump. And don't sit there and say he caused it.

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Initiated? No. Exacerbated it/Brought it to a head? Hell yes. We have a POTUS trolling the internet playing down to the weakest among us. Blaming immigrants, foreigners, but never holding a certain type of person accountable.

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both sides are equally complicit in the division

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In other words "I think there is blame on both sides,"

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Despicable.

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Dude, combine your desperate attempts at absolution with Trump voters with your love of teenage death celebration threads I really don't give a frick what you find despicable.

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I like you, dev. I really do.

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We used to be cool. That TM thread was the last straw for me though.

An ineffective President can’t be the worst President, simply because they didn’t have enough of an impact. The worst Presidents are the ones that remove power from people to the Federal Government.

Abraham Lincoln - He went to war with half of his own country. More Americans died in battle than all other wars combined. I will never believe that a peaceful resolution was impossible. His reign his the reason for federal domination over state rights.

LBJ - The Great Society has destroyed families and created generations of uneducated and unmotivated citizens. The level of social destruction is unmeasurable.

Woodrow Wilson - Early in his administration he passed several laws that gave massive economic powers to the Federal Government. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the Revenue Act of 1913, and the Federal Trade Commission Act.

FDR - Raised taxes to historically high levels. The New Deal programs were loaded with government giveaways that are still causing huge liabilities in our Federal Budget to this day. This guy was the author of wealth distribution. To cap it all off he broke the tradition set by Washington by serving more than two terms.

Obama - Created more debt in eight years than all the US Presidents before him combined. Passed the Affordable Healthcare Act that gave unprecedented powers to the Federal Government to shape and control healthcare.