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re: My friend's cousins are stranded in Kabul
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:56 am to troyt37
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:56 am to troyt37
I’m sorry but why the frick would they have not gotten out over the last 4-6 weeks. The writing has been on the wall there for at least two months and everyone knew Kabul was going to fall.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:02 am to FooManChoo
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Christians can certainly use force to defend themselves, but that isn’t what I’m talking about with “justice”. We aren’t to use the sword to get revenge on our enemies. The government exists for that purpose.
And what are we to do when the government decides to up and runnoft? Wait for the slaughter? There's a disconnect here somewhere. As a Christian missionary in a place like Afghanistan, you have to know you are there under the protection of the US military, don't you? I mean the fact that you aren't dead the first few days after arriving tells you that, doesn't it? So how is it that you don't recognize that it is high time to GTFO, once the military decides to pull up stakes?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:05 am to burger bearcat
Very scary. Taliban are going door to door right now from what I’ve read. There’s unfortunately no way to believe we have every American safe at the airport. There’s probably thousands still outside the gate.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:12 am to FooManChoo
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those who reject the truth
I don't reject it, but nothing has ever convinced me. The closest I came to a religious experience was when my first kid was born.
Other than that, I've never felt anything other than disbelief when at any religious ceremony. That wafer they claim is Jesus? Just a wafer to me. Confession? Seems more like a power move by priests than anything else. Confirmation? That was a fricking joke. Typical Sunday mass? Stare at feet for an hour, go get a quick snack, stare at feet until dismissal. You get the idea.
It all seems like theater rather than anything of substance. I know that's a Catholic outlook as I was raised Catholic, but I've been to 10-12 different Christian "masses" and the feeling is exactly the same every time.
I envy people like you, seriously. My wife is sooooo sure of God too. I dare not have discussions to convince her otherwise, because if she's wrong it hurts no one. If I am and I convince her, I hurt her. Same for my kids.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:20 am to ShoeBang
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The closest I came to a religious experience was when my first kid was born.
You were given a child, and just saw it as biology? You should envy those with faith in God. I share your disbelief in religion. Any religion. Religion is a construct of man, and therefore fatally flawed at best, and most often evil.
What you are looking for is in the Bible. Get a good old King James Bible, and read it like your soul depends on it.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:24 am to troyt37
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I share your disbelief in religion. Any religion. Religion is a construct of man, and therefore fatally flawed at best, and most often evil.
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What you are looking for is in the Bible. Get a good old King James Bible, and read it like your soul depends on it.
How do you reconcile these two statements?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:24 am to Zarkinletch416
No matter how hard you try, you can’t teach a rattlesnake to be a house pet.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:25 am to Mo Jeaux
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How do you reconcile these two statements?
He means that organized religion has used the King James version (not the real one anyway) to pervert the idea of God into something evil.
Can't say I disagree.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:28 am to ShoeBang
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He means that organized religion has used the King James version (not the real one anyway) to pervert the idea of God into something evil.
Can't say I disagree.
I guess so. I'm just interested in how people draw their lines. Religion is a construct of man, but some compiled writings that are the basis for many of those religions are not also a construct of man. Could be.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:30 am to burger bearcat
And this whole fricking mess was totally avoidable....
This admin does NOT do their job! They are reactionary and incompetent....I can't imagine how fricked up their meetings must be. And Joe is on vacation.
The number 1 job of the government: kepp the citizens safe!
This admin does NOT do their job! They are reactionary and incompetent....I can't imagine how fricked up their meetings must be. And Joe is on vacation.
The number 1 job of the government: kepp the citizens safe!
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:30 am to JackieTreehorn
quote:Thank you!
No matter how hard you try, you can’t teach a rattlesnake to be a house pet.
Whatever religion or church those missionaries are affiliated with should have to answer for not only assigning them Afghanistan but completely failing to pull them out of there a month ago. If I'm their family member, I'd want some answers.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:31 am to Mo Jeaux
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How do you reconcile these two statements?
The Bible is about faith, not religion. Religion divides us. Faith in God brings us together. Religion is what men with designs and power have sold us about what is in the Bible.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:31 am to burger bearcat
Shame on the religious organization for not having there people out of there. Pray your friends make it out but they were left in a ridiculously dangerous situation. A whisper of troop withdrawal and they should have been pulled.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:33 am to troyt37
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You were given a child, and just saw it as biology? You should envy those with faith in God.
I mean Biology is how the child came to be. I was emotional but did not attribute it to some deity that may or may not exist.
Maybe the Hindus were right and there are many gods. Maybe the Native Americans were right and the star children gave us life. Maybe Sumer had it right when Gilgamesh survived a flood, died and was raised 3 days later, just like Jesus and thousands of years before. Maybe Jesus was the 3rd or 4th try that finally took?
There's no way to know, because the grandiose miracles we see in the bible never happen so god either abandoned us or he doesn't exist.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:34 am to oldskule
quote:I read thread yesterday that the Administration, DOD, State Dept are so far behind in their strategic planning that they literally meet to discuss a plan and by the time they make a firm decision to move forward, it's too late and they have go back to the drawing board. Incompetence at it's finest.
This admin does NOT do their job! They are reactionary and incompetent....I can't imagine how fricked up their meetings must be. And Joe is on vacation.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:34 am to troyt37
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The Bible is about faith, not religion. Religion divides us. Faith in God brings us together. Religion is what men with designs and power have sold us about what is in the Bible.
I guess. The Bible is about faith in a particular god though, so I am sure those of other faiths would disagree with this statement.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:35 am to RT1941
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the Administration, DOD, State Dept are so far behind in their strategic planning that they literally meet to discuss a plan and by the time they make a firm decision to move forward, it's too late and they have go back to the drawing board. Incompetence at it's finest.
This is what happens when you try to run a country by committee while only pretending there's one guy in charge.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:35 am to burger bearcat
Not good
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:22 am to ShoeBang
quote:I'm sorry that you have not good experiences in Christian churches. I don't want to bash Catholicism right now but I'd say that what changes people is not the ceremony and tradition, but the gospel of Jesus Christ. Going to church doesn't save anyone. Going through the motions while at church doesn't save anyone, either. Too many churches and Christians teach and believe that simply showing up is enough to be righteous in God's eyes.
I don't reject it, but nothing has ever convinced me. The closest I came to a religious experience was when my first kid was born.
Other than that, I've never felt anything other than disbelief when at any religious ceremony. That wafer they claim is Jesus? Just a wafer to me. Confession? Seems more like a power move by priests than anything else. Confirmation? That was a fricking joke. Typical Sunday mass? Stare at feet for an hour, go get a quick snack, stare at feet until dismissal. You get the idea.
It all seems like theater rather than anything of substance. I know that's a Catholic outlook as I was raised Catholic, but I've been to 10-12 different Christian "masses" and the feeling is exactly the same every time.
I envy people like you, seriously. My wife is sooooo sure of God too. I dare not have discussions to convince her otherwise, because if she's wrong it hurts no one. If I am and I convince her, I hurt her. Same for my kids.
What's most important is hearing the preached word and knowing that what Jesus did on the cross was done to save you, as an individual, and to reconcile you, as an individual, to God, whom you have offended with your sins. It's the trust that even though we were enemies of God, He sent His son to die to save His enemies and to make us sons and daughters, instead.
I'll continue to pray for you. I sincerely hope that Lord saves you through His son, because that is the only hope anyone of us has. You are a human being, created by God to reflect His image, and I don't want you to suffer as so many others do and will do--like the Taliban who doesn't repent--for their refusal to submit to Christ as Lord, rather than yourself.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:25 am to troyt37
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And what are we to do when the government decides to up and runnoft? Wait for the slaughter? There's a disconnect here somewhere
Self defense or the defense of others is a biblically acceptable use of violence. I think it was St. Augustine who defined the just war.
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