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re: My anecdotal evidence of one reason why healthcare is so fricking high..., and rising!
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:25 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:25 pm to Bass Tiger
Dude, sounds like you need OTC steroidal nasal spray (ie, Rhinocort) to prevent the seasonal allergies that are causing the other conditions.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:28 pm to Bass Tiger
While government involvement has its costs , mainly due to the ever expanding regs from HIPAA, a great amount of the costs are due to the ever expanding access to healthcare and our ever increasing lifespans, A we get older, we tend to access the doctor more and more for various thins. I have a friend who is an opthamologist and his practice is filled daily with 75-85 year olds who are regular patients and he says that amount continues to grow. When he started in the mid 1980's, for instance , the 75-85 cohort was maybe 12-15% of his total patient population, today it's almost half and they all have medicare and medicare supplemental the filing of which takes up more and more man hours to file and get right
Also healthcare access has a mentality aspect t it as well, many docs will tell me that more people come in for "conditions" that are relatively minor and don't necessarily require going to see a physician all that often (like kids colds) but the parents bring the kids in if the kid is suffering from a cold for more than 3 days when in the past, not as many did it
Also healthcare access has a mentality aspect t it as well, many docs will tell me that more people come in for "conditions" that are relatively minor and don't necessarily require going to see a physician all that often (like kids colds) but the parents bring the kids in if the kid is suffering from a cold for more than 3 days when in the past, not as many did it
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:29 pm to Bass Tiger
Stop salting your food,and using sugar.
Most of your minor health problems will disappear.
Doctors don't like for you to know that.
2 weeks ago, I stopped using salt and sugar,because I had gained some weight,and my blood pressure was creeping up.
After 3 days, I woke up and my eyes had cleared up.. I don't need reading glasses any more.
about the 5th day,my sinuses cleared up,better than they have been in years.
I am suddenly sleeping like a baby also.
when I got home last weekend, I weighed,and had already lost 12 pounds. I think I pissed it all away,because when you stop the salt,your body stops storing water in the soft tissue,and you will piss..a lot.
Oh yeah,my blood pressure dropped back down also,and my knees stopped hurting.
Most of your minor health problems will disappear.
Doctors don't like for you to know that.
2 weeks ago, I stopped using salt and sugar,because I had gained some weight,and my blood pressure was creeping up.
After 3 days, I woke up and my eyes had cleared up.. I don't need reading glasses any more.
about the 5th day,my sinuses cleared up,better than they have been in years.
I am suddenly sleeping like a baby also.
when I got home last weekend, I weighed,and had already lost 12 pounds. I think I pissed it all away,because when you stop the salt,your body stops storing water in the soft tissue,and you will piss..a lot.
Oh yeah,my blood pressure dropped back down also,and my knees stopped hurting.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:40 pm to FearlessFreep
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If you had no intention to discuss this topic intelligently, why even post in the thread?
You could probably quadruple your post count if you posted that after every, "MAGA! Cuck! Melt!" post.
Why single me out?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You ever try to shop around for an emergency appendectomy?
Have you ever had a car repair garage not tell you the cost?
No. I don't need a "car repair garage".
But if they didn't, I could take it to another shop. If I needed an emergency appendectomy, I don't think I could shop around for a doctor that could tell me how much it would cost.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:58 pm to Bass Tiger
Don't balame yourself for being part of the problem. You work and have benefits, congrats.
The problem is those that do not work and have benefits...still get treated for those same symptoms.. and do not have the means to pay for them.
those costs get thrown into your visit, period.
The problem is those that do not work and have benefits...still get treated for those same symptoms.. and do not have the means to pay for them.
those costs get thrown into your visit, period.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:03 pm to MSMHater
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The insurance companies disagree, and they have no desire to pay more. Your 2nd story is a lesson in cost containment from private payers. They feel that the hoops your wife jumped through will prevent overutilization and unnecessary charges. You're not wrong in that the x-ray machine, after 2-3 years, is a profit center for the PCP/urgent care. But without record of the negative x-ray, BCBS likely wouldn't have approved the MRI at all.
What you’re saying is probably true. The problem I had with my sinus issue was the complete disinterest by the primary care physician to refer me to a specialist. It was my demands to see a specialist that eventually ended my visit to my primary care physician for sinus troubles......, X-ray and a prescription every time.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:10 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Don't balame yourself for being part of the problem. You work and have benefits, congrats.
The problem is those that do not work and have benefits...still get treated for those same symptoms.. and do not have the means to pay for them.
those costs get thrown into your visit, period.
Fact.
I think though,most of us could cure many of our minor health problems ourselves,if we understood more about it. The health care community would rather us be confused about things though,so they can treat the symptoms at a huge profit.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:16 pm to auggie
Eat real food and move around more. There you go.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:17 pm to auggie
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at a huge profit.
Why are you against huge profits?
It seems to me that the corporation has the fiduciary duty to increase shareholder value through any legal means.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why are you against huge profits?
I am only against huge profits,when people's health is sacrificed to earn them.
Many doctors anymore,don't want to cure you of anything.
They lose money if they do that.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:22 pm to Jax-Tiger
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President Obama touted decreased costs due to economies of scale due to adding 30M more people into the healthcare system - remember his promise that our premium costs would go down by $2500/yr? Economy of scale cost decreases don't come from increased demand. They are the result of increased supply and the increase in efficiency that comes with large scale production models. You can't just increase the demand and expect economy of scale savings with no plan to increase the supply.
You're missing one thing here, this is not a manufactured product, it's a service so your argument is moot. This is insurance. So, the more people that are paying premiums the less expensive the premiums should be. Further, the larger the company, the more power to negotiate pricing, which should lower the cost of the service.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you realize what you are saying? You are saying that free market economies are costlier and less efficient than planned economies like we saw in the ussr!
At least you showed your ignorance.
Health care, and health insurance in particular, is not a free market and cannot be one.
Leave it to you to pretend like you know anything about how the world works, then devolve back into Randian bullshite.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:23 pm to BamaAtl
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is not a free market and cannot be one
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At least you showed your ignorance
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
You going in with Ayn Jr, too?
You -should- know that health care isn't a free market. That you think otherwise...wow, you must be losing it.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:30 pm to Bass Tiger
My deductible nearly doubled for about the same premium this past cycle. BS.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:35 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Health care is a service. Payment for ANY service varies dependent on governance. Current circumstances notwithstanding, were healthcare completely free market here, we'd crush other nations in quality, quantity, and cost.
You -should- know that health care isn't a free market.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:40 pm to MSMHater
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The insurance companies disagree, and they have no desire to pay more. Your 2nd story is a lesson in cost containment from private payers. They feel that the hoops your wife jumped through will prevent overutilization and unnecessary charges.
True.
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You're not wrong in that the x-ray machine, after 2-3 years, is a profit center for the PCP/urgent car
True, but a lot of it is CYA too.
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But without record of the negative x-ray, BCBS likely wouldn't have approved the MRI at all.
Very true. And a torn meniscus doesn't necessitate an ortho. I rehab'd mine in college and have done fine. Not to say surgery is never needed, but when you go to a surgeon, how do you think they make their money.
Neither of the experiences you mentioned sound very efficient and at face value could've been done differently. If you don't want anything done, find a doctor in a ACO. They lose money for anything they do for you. How's that sound? Give it a try and check back when your're really sick and really need an xray or mri.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:44 pm to auggie
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Many doctors anymore,don't want to cure you of anything. They lose money if they do that.
Really?
That's why people do come to me. Because I fix them. Most of the ones I see all the time are because THEY do not change their behaviors or insist on being seen. And some things can't be fixed. Ever heard of a car being totaled out? Yep. People do that shite to themselves all the time, but we can't scrap'em. We just have to keep them patched together and running as best we can. Quit going to the doctor. It's all a money making scam anyway. Find yourself a naturalist and profit. Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:52 pm to jimbeam
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My deductible nearly doubled for about the same premium this past cycle. BS.
You can thank Obama.
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