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Mussolini's tariffs and protectionism became Fascism
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:57 pm
People get offended here when nationalism is compared to fascism as if there are no reason such comparisons should be made.
Many equate fascism with Hitler's racism. Those are two different things.
Sheldon Richman writing in "The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics" long before Trump ever came on the political scene said the following:
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We have the government agencies already in place to carry out many of Mussolini's policies beyond the protectionism and tariffs Trump has already implemented.
Trump has threatened companies he does not like with the FCC and the DOJ. His favored companies are getting massive government help with tariffs and defense contracts.
Wilbur Ross is taking about imposing import quotas for steel for example. As the price of steel continues to rise there is little question there will louder and louder complaints from Americans. No doubt there will be some wanting price controls.
We are sliding backwards---back into protectionism that Hoover wanted and price controls that FDR wanted. We have a long history of failed price controls even as recently as Carter.
So if you are Trumpkin and are offended when someone is concerned if we are moving toward some hybrid fascism then you probably need to study why someone would have that concern and not just sky stream about "Cucks" and "melts".
I voted for Trump and hope he moves from the current path on trade and protectionism.
Many equate fascism with Hitler's racism. Those are two different things.
Sheldon Richman writing in "The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics" long before Trump ever came on the political scene said the following:
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The best example of a fascist economy is the regime of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Holding that liberalism (by which he meant freedom and free markets) had "reached the end of its historical function," Mussolini wrote: "To Fascism the world is not this material world, as it appears on the surface, where Man is an individual separated from all others and left to himself.... Fascism affirms the State as the true reality of the individual."
This collectivism is captured in the word fascism, which comes from the Latin fasces, meaning a bundle of rods with an axe in it. In economics, fascism was seen as a third way between laissez-faire capitalism and communism. Fascist thought acknowledged the roles of private property and the profit motive as legitimate incentives for productivity—provided that they did not conflict with the interests of the state.
Fascism in Italy grew out of two other movements: syndicalism and nationalism. The syndicalists believed that economic life should be governed by groups representing the workers in various industries and crafts. The nationalists, angered by Italy's treatment after World War I, combined the idea of class struggle with that of national struggle. Italy was a proletarian nation, they said, and to win a greater share of the world's wealth, all of Italy's classes must unite. Mussolini was a syndicalist who turned nationalist during World War I.
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From 1922 to 1925, Mussolini's regime pursued a laissez-faire economic policy under the liberal finance minister Alberto De Stefani. De Stefani reduced taxes, regulations, and trade restrictions and allowed businesses to compete with one another. But his opposition to protectionism and business subsidies alienated some industrial leaders, and De Stefani was eventually forced to resign. After Mussolini consolidated his dictatorship in 1925, Italy entered a new phase. Mussolini, like many leaders at this time, believed that economies did not operate constructively without supervision by the government. Foreshadowing events in Nazi Germany, and to some extent in New Deal America, Mussolini began a program of massive deficit spending, public works, and eventually, militarism.
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Beginning in 1929, in preparation for achieving the "glories" of war, the Italian government used protectionist measures to turn the economy toward autarchy, or economic self-sufficiency. The autarchic policies were intensified in the following years because of both the depression and the economic sanctions that other countries imposed on Italy after it invaded Ethiopia. Mussolini decreed that government bureaus must buy only Italian products, and he increased tariffs on all imports in 1931. The sanctions following the invasion of Ethiopia spurred Italy in 1935 to increase tariffs again, stiffen import quotas, and toughen its embargo on industrial goods.
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We have the government agencies already in place to carry out many of Mussolini's policies beyond the protectionism and tariffs Trump has already implemented.
Trump has threatened companies he does not like with the FCC and the DOJ. His favored companies are getting massive government help with tariffs and defense contracts.
Wilbur Ross is taking about imposing import quotas for steel for example. As the price of steel continues to rise there is little question there will louder and louder complaints from Americans. No doubt there will be some wanting price controls.
We are sliding backwards---back into protectionism that Hoover wanted and price controls that FDR wanted. We have a long history of failed price controls even as recently as Carter.
So if you are Trumpkin and are offended when someone is concerned if we are moving toward some hybrid fascism then you probably need to study why someone would have that concern and not just sky stream about "Cucks" and "melts".
I voted for Trump and hope he moves from the current path on trade and protectionism.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:58 pm to I B Freeman
Do you EVER tire of losing?
As a Browns fan I was tired after first year.
As a Browns fan I was tired after first year.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:00 pm to I B Freeman
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The autarchic policies were intensified in the following years because of both the depression and the economic sanctions that other countries imposed on Italy after it invaded Ethiopia. Mussolini decreed that government bureaus must buy only Italian products, and he increased tariffs on all imports in 1931.
So this was a nationalist reaction to globalist policy. Gotcha
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:00 pm to I B Freeman
Good grief, you get dumber with each passing day....
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:01 pm to IslandBuckeye
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Do you EVER tire of losing?
He got dominated in the Macron thread, so now he's trying to make up for it because he showed his arse.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:02 pm to I B Freeman
I love you man. You ALWAYS brighten up my day. Don't you EVER change.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:02 pm to The Maj
It's just history.
I long ago discounted your ability to comprehend anything past the latest issue of WWE Magazine but I encourage you to try.
I long ago discounted your ability to comprehend anything past the latest issue of WWE Magazine but I encourage you to try.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:03 pm to I B Freeman
Then please IB Freeman, explain how the American School of Economics (aka National System), and our version of mercantilism and protectionism, was fascist? That was our economic model from 1787-1913. The founders when creating the constitution, wanted a protectionist system. Now please, read up, and report back. Hack
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:04 pm to upgrayedd
Only in your simple mind did I get "dominated" in any thread.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:04 pm to I B Freeman
lmao, I am thinking you are a functional retard... either that or you suffered brain damage at some point in your life...
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm to I B Freeman
Theres no way you got dominated. You are too smart for that. Agreed?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:06 pm to I B Freeman
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Only in your simple mind did I get "dominated" in any thread.
Your entire premise was that nationalism automatically leads to turning into a nation that starts wars and kills millions of people in an industrial manner and you're calling people "simple minded". Adorable
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:07 pm to The Maj
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lmao, I am thinking you are a functional retard... either that or you suffered brain damage at some point in your life...
I think he's pretty smart but his intelligence has also bred a hubris that causes him to think his perspective is the only valid one on Earth. It happens.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:07 pm to I B Freeman
So someone talked you down from 'literally Hitler' to 'almost Mussolini.'
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:08 pm to AUTiger1978
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So someone talked you down from 'literally Hitler' to 'almost Mussolini.'
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:10 pm to I B Freeman
I swear. Trump could improve customer service at the post office and it would inevitably lead to a comparison to Mussolini making the trains run on time and be accepted as a fait accompli that we are already a fascist state. Next thing you know, we would be rounding up certain ethnicities and putting them in internment camps.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:11 pm to I B Freeman
Just go with “Trump is Hitler” like the average sky screamer
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:14 pm to Ag Zwin
The League of Nations comes in, drops the hammer on Germany and pushes Japan away from the post war table after their help in the war but nationalism is to blame.
People like IB don't understand that these things are cyclical but don't always lead to global conflicts.
People like IB don't understand that these things are cyclical but don't always lead to global conflicts.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:14 pm to I B Freeman
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