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re: Mueller: Trump is still under investigation but not a criminal target
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:29 pm to flyAU
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:29 pm to flyAU
quote:Whole bunch of people unfamiliar with the witness/subject/target distinctions about to run to the bank early with this
In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:45 pm to Iosh
Pretty obvious most folks replying to this thread didn't take the time to actually read the article. A few highlights:
* Mueller will be releasing reports in stages, with Obstruction being the first report of several.
*Mueller does not believe he can legally indict Trump. Therefore, Obstruction will be dealt with via a report to Congress who can then decide whether to bring charges and begin impeachment.
*A person being investigated can, obviously, become a "target" at any time.
*Mueller needs to speak with Trump prior to releasing his Obstruction report due to Trump's role in the matter.
* Mueller will be releasing reports in stages, with Obstruction being the first report of several.
*Mueller does not believe he can legally indict Trump. Therefore, Obstruction will be dealt with via a report to Congress who can then decide whether to bring charges and begin impeachment.
*A person being investigated can, obviously, become a "target" at any time.
*Mueller needs to speak with Trump prior to releasing his Obstruction report due to Trump's role in the matter.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:48 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
*Mueller does not believe he can legally indict Trump. Therefore, Obstruction will be dealt with via a report to Congress who can then decide whether to bring charges and begin impeachment.
So Mueller is going to present a report to Congress laying out impeachment for exercising his constitutionally vested responsibility and power?
Ok
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:56 pm to Strannix
quote:
So Mueller is going to present a report to Congress laying out impeachment for exercising his constitutionally vested responsibility and power?
What? I'm happy to respond but I literally have no clue what this sentence means.
It's Trump's constitutionally vested power and responsibility to do what?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:04 pm to Sentrius
Bockrath is a contracts professor
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:07 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
What? I'm happy to respond but I literally have no clue what this sentence means.
It's Trump's constitutionally vested power and responsibility to do what?
I really don’t have time to argue with an idiot but I’ll give you five minutes,
It’s under his constitutionallly vested power and authority to direct the department of justice as head of the executive branch, he can fire who he wants to fire and direct them to investigate what he wants them to investigate. Obstruction for firing Comey? A liar and a leaker who was committing crimes?
What don’t you understand?
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:10 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
*Mueller does not believe he can legally indict Trump.
What do you mean “doesn’t believe he can” ?
He can’t indict him, was that a serious statement or were you joking?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:10 pm to flyAU
quote:
I see zero reason to.
Maybe Mueller just wants to chat about grandchildren and yoga?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:13 pm to Strannix
quote:
I really don’t have time to argue with an idiot but I’ll give you five minutes,
It’s under his constitutionallly vested power and authority to direct the department of justice as head of the executive branch, he can fire who he wants to fire and direct them to investigate what he wants them to investigate. Obstruction for firing Comey? A liar and a leaker who was committing crimes?
Wha5 don’t you understand?
Thank you, mighty One, for the five minutes. How very generous of you, kind sir.
Fortunately, I don't need your 5 minutes. Any dumb motherfricker that thinks the executive has a constitutional fricking duty, power, and responsibility to eliminate the DOJ if it kills an investigation into potential criminality of he or his campaign cohorts is obviously fricking delusional or, optimistically speaking, is incapable of comprehending Nixon's impeachment and the rule of law.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:14 pm to Strannix
quote:
What do you mean “doesn’t believe he can” ?
He can’t indict him, was that a serious statement or were you joking?
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:19 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Muh Nixon
You’re unhinged, loser
Sorry you don’t understand the constitution.....
You’re unhinged, loser
Sorry you don’t understand the constitution.....
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:51 pm to flyAU
quote:
In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.
Mueller’s description of the president’s status has sparked friction within Trump’s inner circle as his advisers have debated his legal standing. The president and some of his allies seized on the special counsel’s words as an assurance that Trump’s risk of criminal jeopardy is low. Other advisers, however, noted that subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets — and expressed concern that the special prosecutor was baiting Trump into an interview that could put the president in legal peril.
The president has privately expressed relief at the description of his legal status, which has increased his determination to agree to a special counsel interview, the people said. He has repeatedly told allies that he is not a target of the probe and believes an interview will help him put the matter behind him, friends said.
However, legal experts said Mueller’s description of Trump as a subject of a grand jury probe does not mean he is in the clear.
Under Justice Department guidelines, a subject of an investigation is a person whose conduct falls within the scope of a grand jury’s investigation. A target is a person for which there is substantial evidence linking him or her to a crime.
A subject could become a target with his or her own testimony, legal experts warn.
“Mueller hasn’t hesitated to [charge] people for lying on some pretty tangential stuff,” said Solomon Wisenberg, a former deputy independent counsel in the probe of President Bill Clinton.
Wisenberg, who interviewed Clinton about allegations that he obstructed justice, said Trump has handled himself well in previous depositions but should be cautious.
“I think he would do much better than people think,” Wisenberg said. “But there are plenty of instances where a guy walks into a grand jury a subject. He gets out and is told: ‘Guess what, you’re a target now.’?”
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Cuckservatives shouldn't celebrate yet. It's far from over.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:02 pm to BigAppleBucky
So the only conclusion must be he's not innocent.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:11 pm to flyAU
Wouldn’t it be Mueller’s duty to tell the American public this as soon as he knows?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:11 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
Bench McElroy
They don't care, man. They aren't students of American history. They have no sense of intellectual curiosity. They aren't patriots. Trump=good, Libtards=bad, "melt"=orgasmic pleasure. These are the same motherfrickers who would be living in a modern day Jonestown. They're unadulterated cultists.
They'll catch on......eventually.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:17 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:This is an unfair post. It is not hackish to point out the significance of calling trump a subject rather than a target.
They don't care, man. They aren't students of American history. They have no sense of intellectual curiosity. They aren't patriots. Trump=good, Libtards=bad, "melt"=orgasmic pleasure. These are the same motherfrickers who would be living in a modern day Jonestown. They're unadulterated cultists.
They'll catch on......eventually.
You are calling anyone who doesn't agree with you as lacking "intellectual curiosity". That is just so unfair.
You get upset when anyone tries to even remotely defend trump on anything. That is hypocritical.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:17 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Here is me catching on!
Mueller has nothing. So he needs Trump to talk to him to see if he can trip him up.
This is where Mueller is.
Trump can shoot him the middle finger at him at this point.
Mueller has nothing. So he needs Trump to talk to him to see if he can trip him up.
This is where Mueller is.
Trump can shoot him the middle finger at him at this point.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:20 pm to flyAU
quote:
Mueller: Trump is still under investigation but not a criminal target
So basically Mueller confirms that his investigation is a witch hunt and a perjury trap.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
This is an unfair post. It is not hackish to point out the significance of calling trump a subject rather than a target.
You are calling anyone who doesn't agree with you as lacking "intellectual curiosity". That is just so unfair.
You get upset when anyone tries to even remotely defend trump on anything. That is hypocritical.
I tried highlighting some points from the article....was downvoted mercilessly and was told I'm dumb. This guy literally posts bolded material from the article and, he too, is given downvotes and ignored.
The OP links to an article. People obviously don't read the article yet comment as if they did. Posters call these people out for not reading and are ridiculed. How else would you take that, if not a blatant disregard for intellectual curiosity?
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