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re: Mueller: Trump is still under investigation but not a criminal target

Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:27 pm to
He quoted an author hypothetical from the article.

This is a hypothetical: Trump can still become a target

This it not a hypothetical: Mueller told trump's team he is not currently a criminal target.

This article written tonight by Lawyer Poedhoretz sums it up nicely

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Yes, the story goes on to say that he might become a target later. But Mueller has been at this now for nine months with an aggressive staff. He has issued indictments of various figures and might be going after others. So telling Trump that he’s not a target is a very big deal.

Yes, in theory, Trump could testify before Mueller and perjure himself because of his highly problematic relationship to the truth. Yes, in theory, the probe could go on for years, and he could be indicted after his presidency—though, at this point, any such speculation is transparently absurd. The simple fact is this: Trump is not a target: “Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.”

If he’s not a “target,” then the reports Mueller will write about his investigation will not rise to the level of indictable offenses. Remember, the only real threat to Trump’s continuing tenure would come from Mueller writing a document that effectively refers the matter to Congress for impeachment. It would still be necessary for the House itself to draft a bill of impeachment and vote on it. At which point, the matter would then become the province of a Senate trial, requiring 67 senators to vote to remove him from office. It’s almost impossible to imagine that happening in the first place, let alone if Mueller isn’t finding anything after nine solid months of investigations.

This story could very well be game over for everyone who has hoped against hope that the Mueller probe was going serve as the deus ex machina of the #Resistance and surgically remove Trump from the presidency.


You are calling anyone who doesn't AGREE with that hypothetical happening "intellectually uncurious"....yet it is just as intellectually uncurious to not even entertain the idea that trump may not be charged
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:09 am to
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Obstruction of Justice for doing something you have Constitutional authority to do? Bold strategy


There will be no obstruction of justice charges lol Trump has every legal right to do everything he did in regard to this investigation. He could fire Rod Rosenstein today, announce it was so he could replace him with someone who would fire Bob Mueller and that still wouldn't be obstruction of justice, because the POTUS has every right to fire Rosenstein and you would have a hard time proving he had intent to cover up a crime.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:13 am to
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This article written tonight by Lawyer Poedhoretz sums it up nicely
John Podhoretz isn't a lawyer, he's a pundit (and not very good at that, but his dad was famous)

Ken White is a lawyer LINK
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:36 am to
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He could fire Rod Rosenstein today, announce it was so he could replace him with someone who would fire Bob Mueller and that still wouldn't be obstruction of justice, because the POTUS has every right to fire Rosenstein and you would have a hard time proving he had intent to cover up a crime.


What if he then tweets “I fired Rosenstein to end the Fake News Russia Investigation #come@mebro”?
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20586 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:39 am to
nothing more than a political coup attempt
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:40 am to
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The special counsel also told Trump’s lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president’s actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice, according to two people with knowledge of the conversations.


Translation: "While no illegal activity has been traced directly to the President there seems to have been a group operating with some elements of the Russian government. These are very troubling actions as the President could have obstructed justice if not screened by his employees. We are investigation further and we will get to the truth you can trust us on that."

HBM
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98029 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:42 am to
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What if he then tweets “I fired Rosenstein to end the Fake News Russia Investigation #come@mebro”?



Would be the best tweet ever
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:44 am to
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What if he then tweets “I fired Rosenstein to end the Fake News Russia Investigation #come@mebro”?


Trump could literally get on national television and warn Rosenstein that he would be fired if he doesn't end the investigation within the next 24 hours and then fire him if he didn't , and that would not be an obstruction of justice because Trump has the legal authority to do exactly that, and you would not be able to prove he had any criminal intent when he did it.

That is the law, you have to PROVE criminal intent with obstruction of justice. That's why something like if Trump went to the FBI and stole some evidence, well that's obstruction of justice because Trump doesn't have the authority to remove evidence, and that's an easy call as to criminal intent. Actually in that instance, you wouldn't even have to prove intent, but that gets a little more complicated to explain.
Posted by CheniereTiger108
Member since Jul 2014
1679 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:51 am to
Mueller screwed himself with the release of that August 2, 2017 letter from Rod Rosenstein yesterday. The original scope given by Rosenstein was Russian influence in election, possible collusion with Trump Campaign and anything related to the election interference that may arise during investigation.

Mueller is told by Horowitz on or around July 20th of existence of text messages between Strozk and Page indicating an extreme bias in investigations, and that McCabe had big problems as well.

Mueller raids Manaforts house on July 26th-

Mueller removes Strzok on July 27th (but gives no reason why publicly or to Congress)

August 2, 2017- Rosenstein sends SECRET letter to Mueller expanding his investigative authority to SPECIFICALLY include Manaforts Ukraine bs that took place many years ago.

It’s all CYA. It became clear the only “crimes” Mueller was going to come across we’re committed by the people working on his team and his buddies from the prev administration. So he went back and asked Rosenstein to narrow the scope to specifically include Manafort (whose home he’d already raided) and exclude the other actual crimes. Rosenstein happily agreed bc he was part of the FISA abuse.

All this makes it more obvious they’ve got NOTHING on Trump.
Posted by WillieNelsonsDoobie
Bogata
Member since May 2014
1427 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:13 am to
I never knew there were so many Perry Mason’s on the Poli board. There have to be 5 posts on the thread that all say,”He’s got NOTHING! He’s got NOTHING!”

Maybe if you put it in all caps it makes it more believable. So many Trump insiders.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:15 am to
Well we are all just trying to follow the bread crumbs. And they have to this point led straight to.........Stormy Daniels

So yea. We are a little doubtful slick.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
16376 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:17 am to
You sound mad.

U mad?
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:21 am to
This meme's stock is skyrocketing lately

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:34 am to
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:34 am to
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I never knew there were so many Perry Mason’s on the Poli board. There have to be 5 posts on the thread that all say,”He’s got NOTHING! He’s got NOTHING!”

Maybe if you put it in all caps it makes it more believable. So many Trump insiders.




This "investigation" has been ongoing for TWO years my man.

First of all, we investigate CRIMES in this country to determine who committed them, we don't investigate people to see what crimes they may have committed, well unless you're a "special counsel" apparently.

Second of all, Trump farts at the breakfast table and that's leaked, but we're supposed to believe there is credible evidence that he actually violated the law to justify this investigation and no one has leaked it? Come on, that stretches the incredible.

Trump's civil rights , and those of people around him, have been violated here and that should be more important to every American than anything else. If the USG can do that to someone like Trump what could they do to the average little guy American? The answer is they could destroy you and bury your remains under the prison without so much as a peep from the rest of us, apparently.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22751 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:42 am to
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US Vs Nixon - 1974. 8-0 decision against Nixon. Can't assert absolute exec immunity against criminal process.

Nixon resigned two weeks after.
Whatever you are smoking, I want some.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:51 am to
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That is the law, you have to PROVE criminal intent with obstruction of justice.


Well that’s why I added the hypothetical tweet basically admitting he’s trying to shut down an investigation that includes a piece focused on him. Kinda assuming corrupt intent here.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90563 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:52 am to
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Well that’s why I added the hypothetical tweet basically admitting he’s trying to shut down an investigation that includes a piece focused on him. Kinda assuming corrupt intent here.

TXcatur in the house with hypos and kinda assuming.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:53 am to
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First of all, we investigate CRIMES in this country to determine who committed them, we don't investigate people to see what crimes they may have committed, well unless you're a "special counsel" apparently.


FBI has a counterintelligence mission as well.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17135 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:53 am to
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what happens if Mueller goes through with what he's claiming, and then subpoenas Trump and specifically asks him to dish on Flynn, Kushner etc. Pleading the 5th is politically unpalatable,


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