re: MTG trending with her #NationalDivorce tweet

What compromises do you and the leftists offer?

Progressivism doesn’t allow for compromise.

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There's a natural political/cultural tension that is healthy when the opposing forces are in balance. We shouldn't try to homogenize culture and thought, but rather strive to maintain the balance, generally through compromise.

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One of you want to take a shot at what a healthy and productive "lift all boats" compromise looks like in 2023 between our divergent contingents on the buzzy cultural issues we often discuss?

I'm not being sarcastic. What's the idealized outcome between traditional family structure Christian Americans and those who think the nuclear family as a pedestal objective is inherently problematic and needs to be eradicated? Who do these compromises serve? Who benefits from the midpoint of that?

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Is there a non-economic argument for why stagnant culture is inherently problematic?

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Well, the problem is that unless you get every culture in the world to be stagnant, you are going to be out-competed. Japan during the Sakoku period is a good example, as limited, highly regulated international interactions, the end result of which was more technological adept societies forcing Japan into agreements which the Japanese felt were unfair.

Other than highly secluded communities, which are often extremely poor (to degrees that you would see in the undeveloped 3rd world), every culture in the US is constantly adapting. The problem with stagnant cultures is that politics still exist, and stagnation is going to lead to domination by other groups. Human relations are competitive, but for better or worse, America has smoothed away many of those interactions. The idea that the Swedish state has a vested interest in individual Swedes to succeed internationally is a demographic decision, based on the fact that there are not that many Swedes. America is insanely good at making every demographic 'American' and also providing a large enough internal market by which there is little need for direct investment by the state into individuals. That isn't the norm worldwide, as even places like China and India, which provide large internal markets for their own people, see investment in individuals who have to compete with Americans, especially in terms of technology.

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and those who think the nuclear family as a pedestal objective is inherently problematic and needs to be eradicated?

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Huh? Which sliver of the population believes this? Maybe you’re giving these folks much more significance than they have.

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What's the idealized outcome between traditional family structure Christian Americans and those who think the nuclear family as a pedestal objective is inherently problematic and needs to be eradicated? Who do these compromises serve? Who benefits from the midpoint of that?

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Well, that interaction seems to mainly occur online, and isn't really reflective of a material reality. But traditional Christian American family structure is mostly a post-war invention, as families before the war tended to be much larger and living very closely to one another. The car and the suburb really magnified the 'nuclear family' to the point that people conceive of it as traditional, but some critiques of the nuclear family rest on more traditional notions of how humans were part of extended families, rather than nuclear ones. If the compromise leads to families being extended again, that would be the ideal for me. But no one is going to take people who want to abolish the family itself seriously. The direction of those critiques have moved toward expanding families, from what I've read recently.

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Other than highly secluded communities, which are often extremely poor (to degrees that you would see in the undeveloped 3rd world), every culture in the US is constantly adapting. The problem with stagnant cultures is that politics still exist, and stagnation is going to lead to domination by other groups. Human relations are competitive, but for better or worse, America has smoothed away many of those interactions. The idea that the Swedish state has a vested interest in individual Swedes to succeed internationally is a demographic decision, based on the fact that there are not that many Swedes. America is insanely good at making every demographic 'American' and also providing a large enough internal market by which there is little need for direct investment by the state into individuals. That isn't the norm worldwide, as even places like China and India, which provide large internal markets for their own people, see investment in individuals who have to compete with Americans, especially in terms of technology.

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A couple of things -

All due respect but "America is so large and effective at big tent branding that we can afford a disconnect between the state and the individual without too many ill impacts by focusing on protection of the internal market" doesn't strike me as an effective rebuttal to balkanization talk.

I also think the smoothing you describe is becoming a good bit less effective and entirely dependent on economic complacency, considering our institutions now foster and accept a swath of the population that would reject even the label of "American" that we seek to tag them with.

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Perhaps Trump should not have asked for Putin's help in defeating Clinton on a nationally televised broadcast.

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That was a big mistake.
Trump should have asked Xi for Hillary's emails. We know they back doored into her bathroom server.
But it was wise on his part. He was already being set up for russian collusion by the dnc, hillary, brennan, and the fbi.

You should pay closer attention.

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So we have to choose between a real, troubled, liberal, urban center of over a half-million people and...
...make believe?

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Ok lets use New Orleans vs any successful suburb or rural city. Call it New Orleans vs Madison/Huntsville, AL.

There is nothing hypothetical or make believe about the differences between urban DNC led cities with high crime, low rates of prosecution and failed schools vs suburbs filled with functional public schools, low crime and high rates of personal ownership vs low levels of section 8 housing.

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The tension between agents of change and those of stasis seems to be out of balance, I agree. But it is an important tension to maintain. And I don't think it's broken quite yet.

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I agree with the idea that it can be kicked down the road until the monetary structure breaks completely, but I ask to what end? We are well over $31 trillion in debt and have countless more trillions in unfunded mandates to pair with social security becoming insolvent by 2033.

Do we just handoff a broken fiscal and political situation to the next generation?

I'd rather pull the bandaid now and deal with what comes next.

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Ill just leave this here as we question how the DNC views white christians.

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Why do you want to pretend like your link simply deals with white Christians?

It's this sort of dissembling sensationalization that's getting us further and further into trouble.

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MTG trending with her #NationalDivorce tweet

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Same thing I say every time, if we're discussing this hypothetical unnecessarily, that's fine.

But we absolutely do not need to split into 2...we need to split into 3.

The psychos on the Left who politics have broken can have their own country.

The psychos on the Right who politics have broken can have their own country.


But please for the love of God, if we're doing this, let the rest of us normal folks who laugh at those lost souls on both sides have our own country where we can stay far away from both sides of the loons.