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re: MoveOn OUTRAGED over potential Sen Dems deal to confirm Gorsuch

Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:33 am to
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:33 am to
Brian Fallon is an idiot.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45821 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:34 am to
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Republicans should agree to this and go nuclear anyway with the next confirmation.


Yep, frick the left. You wanted to play hardball when Obama was in office, you get the consequences
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63214 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:34 am to
You're usually good about not being so coy.

What are the Republicans getting here? Blocking, or trying to block Gorsuch will not look good for Dems, so this seems like a win win for them.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99141 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:35 am to
GOP should make this deal, and then frick the Dems anyway (just like good old Harry did).
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:37 am to
Holy shite is that a stupid deal for the GOP to make, no other trump pick would get confirmed. Earth to Mitch the fillbuster is dead it's just a matter of time
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 8:38 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16898 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:58 am to
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The next high court opening could alter the balance of the court, and some Democrats privately argue that fight will be far more consequential than the current one.


That would be wise on their part. RBG is probably going to retire within the next couple of years.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16898 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:59 am to
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GOP should make this deal, and then frick the Dems anyway


I'm okay with this too. It's all but certain that the Democrats will use the nuclear option in the future for their nominees.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:00 am
Posted by Bullethead88
Half way between LSU and Tulane
Member since Dec 2009
4202 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:06 am to
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if only teh GOP had just allowed hearings on Garland

we all know he'd never have gotten the nomination (without filibuster, even), and that would have been a much better precedent


Garland was just as qualified as Gorsuch. Why would he have failed to be confirmed if the he had gotten the hearing he deserved?
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19311 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:08 am to
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Smart deal if true


And then the next time we have an opening, the GOP should simply ignore the deal.

After all, Democrats did this with Reagan--"we promise to cut spending if you raise taxes", "we promise to increase border security if you grant amnesty". Something about geese and ganders.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:10 am to
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The deal Democrats would be most likely to pursue, the sources said, would be to allow confirmation of Gorsuch in exchange for a commitment from Republicans not to kill the filibuster for a subsequent vacancy during President Donald Trump’s term. The next high court opening could alter the balance of the court, and some Democrats privately argue that fight will be far more consequential than the current one.


Seriously, I would probably die from laughter if the Dems do this. Especially if Trump nominates Merrik Garland to replace Ginsburg.

It would replace a extreme leftist on the court with a moderate and it would be deathly hilarious to see the Dems filibuster him then.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
10366 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:10 am to
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F that - R's better not cave to this garbage. There's no reason other than petty politics why Gorsuch should not be confirmed.


This by a mile. I would promise them no deal at all. Use the nuke option if need be.
Posted by Kafkas father
Member since Aug 2016
1124 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:10 am to
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This is a con. There is zero need to deal. The repubs hold all the cards. Why promise to not nuke the next nominee?


Exactly, Gorsuch is going to be confirmed regardless.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10949 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:10 am to
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Garland was just as qualified as Gorsuch. Why would he have failed to be confirmed if the he had gotten the hearing he deserved?
For the same reason dems will vote in lock step against Gorsuch, no?
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:13 am to
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This is a con. There is zero need to deal. The repubs hold all the cards. Why promise to not nuke the next nominee?


quote:

Exactly, Gorsuch is going to be confirmed regardless.


Because the promise doesn't mean shite. The Democrats wouldn't honor it. They would do just like their "leader" Obama and say elections have consequences.

But like I said in the previous post. Give them a renom of Garland to replace Ginsberg or Bryer. Their heads would literally explode.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:15 am to
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Why would he have failed to be confirmed if the he had gotten the hearing he deserved?

Because Garland is literally Hitler.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35003 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:16 am to
The Dems are screwed, minus taking over the Senate. And with all they Seats they have to defend next Election - many in States that Trump won handily - they'll likely lose numbers in the Senate.

Gorsuch is in. The next Seat will be the big one, and Dems had best save their ammo for that dogfight.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41766 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:18 am to
Bad deal. Gorsuch is a good nominee and has won over several Dems already. The GOP doesn't have anything to win from this and everything to lose as any more nominees will be filibustered.

The only possible positive I can see is that RBG might see the filibuster option as a means to ensure another Conservative originalist doesn't make it to the court and thus might increase her likelihood of stepping down before she's carried out.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:19 am to
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Garland was just as qualified as Gorsuch. Why would he have failed to be confirmed if the he had gotten the hearing he deserved?


Obama nominated Garland after he already KNEW the Republican's would not confirm ANYONE he nominated.

He only nominated him because he was a moderate and so it would be a campaign issue for the Democrats.

Problem is their plan didn't work out. Hillary lost and they didn't get control of the Senate.
If she would have won and the Democrats would have won the Senate they would have withdrawn his nomination and nominated someone with a proven activist record.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:21 am to
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The next Seat will be the big one, and Dems had best save their ammo for that dogfight.


You are incorrect. Thomas will step down before 2018.
He will more than likely announce his retirement within the next 6 months.

Trump is going to replace 2 more justices and maybe even 3.

This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:23 am
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25238 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:27 am to
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That would be wise on their part. RBG is probably going to retire within the next couple of years.


She isn't going to retire. The only way she's leaving the bench is in a pine box.
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