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re: More bad news on Covid vaccines and myocarditis in men under 40
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:38 am to AUstar
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:38 am to AUstar
quote:PROBLEM: Your point #5 doesnt include factors regarding efficacy of the vaccine against Covid itself - or the disappearing nature of whatever unknowable protections you may gain, if any. Period.
5) In men over 40, they found that getting COVID itself increases risk of myocarditis MORE than the vaccine (6 times vs. 2.48 times). So if you're an over 40 male, you're better off getting vaxxed. Period.
Second, your nebulous "6 times vs. 2.48 times" is a model of statistical similarity.
Third, your entire foundation of contention does not consider that the entire covid vaccine reality is that it is the most dangerous and risky vaccine in the history of the planet, by a LOOOOONG shot. (pun unintended)
The dirty little discovery that "protection"/prevention had to be repeated tri annually at all of its elevated risks is behind a belligerent coercion and manipulation campaign that is quite far beyond distasteful, well into tyrannical.
Do that much longer and you will see the preponderance of baws wanna whip that azz... and who could blame them?
It is a losing proposition for this flu nee cold, that is so very far less dangerous than sometimes advertised. LOTS of folks have died FROM the flu - and until people started watching regime media as their only choice they didnt know about the deaths. This DNC engineered version was a little worse, but in many ways the same
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:48 am to GumboPot
Quick, which vaccines did they analyze?
Also, never trust an article that just links a snippet from a study without context. Here is a quote from the actual study:
Also, you need to look at the last column. That's with a CV19 infection, so that's worse than everything other than a 2nd Moderna shot.
So, it's not the greatest sample. However, the vaccine mimicking a protein response in fighting a covid infection isn't shocking that it would lead to similar effects on the heart as infection. The risk (for both infection and vax) drops dramatically over time.
I wouldn't recommend strenuous activity for a month after either infection or vax.
Also, never trust an article that just links a snippet from a study without context. Here is a quote from the actual study:
quote:
Whilst the incidence rate ratios are higher sequentially following each dose of mRNA vaccine, the risk remains small in the overall population with an estimated 2 additional cases of myocarditis per million following a booster dose of BNT162b.
Also, you need to look at the last column. That's with a CV19 infection, so that's worse than everything other than a 2nd Moderna shot.
quote:
People were considered eligible for inclusion if they were at least 13 years old and had received at least one dose of ChAdOx1 (AstraZeneca), BNT162b2 (Pfizer) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna) and were admitted to hospital with or died from myocarditis between December 1 2020 and November 15 2021 (last data update). Patients were followed up from the study start (December 1 2020) to the earliest of the end of the study period (November 15 2021) or when they died.
So, it's not the greatest sample. However, the vaccine mimicking a protein response in fighting a covid infection isn't shocking that it would lead to similar effects on the heart as infection. The risk (for both infection and vax) drops dramatically over time.
I wouldn't recommend strenuous activity for a month after either infection or vax.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:50 am to stout
quote:
You are trying to suggest that there is absolutely no tie in between the vaccine and heart attacks.
I think that the medical community/government would be much wiser to recommend a reduction in strenuous activity for a month after infection or vaccination. That would solve pretty much all of the issues. Myocarditis is common with viruses and is rarely permanent in that scenario.
I'll bet a lot of money you had some form of myocarditis after you got covid and your last flu infection.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
some form of myocarditis
Lolz
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:55 am to the808bass
It's an inflammation so there's a sliding scale
Here is some good news on this front from Israel
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Only two cases of myocarditis were reported in Israel among 44,000 youngsters aged 12 to 15 who received a third dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the Health Ministry said on Wednesday.
The heart inflammations developed by two male teens were both mild, the ministry said.
Studies have shown that while the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine marginally increases the risk of heart inflammation, the risk is higher among those infected with the coronavirus.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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Studies have shown that while the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine marginally increases the risk of heart inflammation, the risk is higher among those infected with the coronavirus.
We don’t typically evaluate drugs based on their safety profile versus the safety profile of the disease they are designed for (for obvious reasons that somehow escape us today).
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:14 am to GumboPot
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A huge new study has found the risk of serious heart problems called myocarditis in men under 40 soars with each dose of a Covid mRNA vaccine - .
That just means it’s working.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 7:15 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:20 am to the808bass
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We don’t typically evaluate drugs based on their safety profile versus the safety profile of the disease they are designed for (for obvious reasons that somehow escape us today).
Case Study from 2019 on myocarditis and a flu vaccine
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The inactivated influenza vaccination is usually well-tolerated and the side effects are mostly benign local or general reactions, including pain at the injection site, fever, or myalgia [2]. Serious adverse events have been very rarely reported and there have been few case reports of cardiac complications such as pericarditis, myocarditis, and stress-induced cardiomyopathy
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The true incidence of myocarditis after influenza vaccination may be underestimated because of the subclinical and nonspecific clinical manifestations of myocarditis. A prospective study about the incidence of cardiovascular adverse events after smallpox and influenza vaccination revealed that the rate of clinical or subclinical myocarditis and pericarditis after smallpox vaccination was approximately 1:5,500, despite the fact that the rate of troponin elevation was 1:200 [9]. Similarly, 2.6% of the influenza vaccine cohort showed new onset cardiac symptoms, such as chest pain, dyspnea, and palpitation, but no case of clinical or subclinical myocarditis and pericarditis
So there were studies on myocarditis all the way back to the smallpox vaccine and, obviously, it's been continuously studied with the flu vaccines.
Everyone talks about classical vaccines vs. these new vaccines but it seems that the smallpox vaccine caused a LOT more myocarditis.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 7:21 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:37 am to Fun Bunch
People who tried to make covid and myocarditis a thing are complete whack jobs
People who are trying to make the vaccine and myocarditis and thing are also whack jobs
The incidence rate of myocarditis in both is absolutely minuscule to the point it isn’t a concern at a societal level.
And, what neither side will tell you, is the actual severity of the vast majority of these cases on both sides is treated as an outpatient at hone with ibuprofen.
People who are trying to make the vaccine and myocarditis and thing are also whack jobs
The incidence rate of myocarditis in both is absolutely minuscule to the point it isn’t a concern at a societal level.
And, what neither side will tell you, is the actual severity of the vast majority of these cases on both sides is treated as an outpatient at hone with ibuprofen.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Myocarditis started as a buzzword red herring for the radical Karen covidians. Remember the Big 10 cancelling football over it
SlowFlowPro
It’s now being a buzzword red herring for the radical Kristin anti-vaxxers
The covid Karen’s have moved onto to really loving “long covid”
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 7:41 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:42 am to lsupride87
Well I think it's clear there IS an increased risk, but it's also clear that risk goes away in a month or 2. People are trying to sell this "myocarditis" fear porn as if it's a permanent state and that's dishonest.
I mean the vaccine doesn't stop Covid in 6-9 months, why would anyone suspect that the vaccine is going to create these life-long issues?
I mean the vaccine doesn't stop Covid in 6-9 months, why would anyone suspect that the vaccine is going to create these life-long issues?
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:43 am to GumboPot
If you're under 40 and healthy, no need for the vaccine outside of avoiding harrassment.
The vaccine was misrepresented from the beginning. Its no vaccine, it's just a drug that helps obese people in case they do get he bug.
I figure fat people and women are the biggest Covidians.
The vaccine was misrepresented from the beginning. Its no vaccine, it's just a drug that helps obese people in case they do get he bug.
I figure fat people and women are the biggest Covidians.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The increased risk is minuscule as it relates to both the virus and the vaccine, but both sides ran with myocarditis to further their motive
Well I think it's clear there IS an increased risk,
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:47 am to lsupride87
But there is a push to try to stop any discussion on myocarditis. It was stupid by the government and its coordinated/partisan media to try to do this. Just like with masks early on, they're not being fully truthful for non-scientific reasons while hiding behind "science".
They should just clearly admit:
1. There is a small risk of inflammation of the heart for a month after vaccination, especially for males under 40
2. Reduce strenuous activity during this time and that should resolve almost all issues to make the risk even lower
Boom. Simple. And honest.
Instead they've chosen to pretend this doesn't exist and fight anyone who discusses it, which has created a conspiracy theory (and possibly has led to some deaths for people who didn't alter their behavior post-shot).
They should just clearly admit:
1. There is a small risk of inflammation of the heart for a month after vaccination, especially for males under 40
2. Reduce strenuous activity during this time and that should resolve almost all issues to make the risk even lower
Boom. Simple. And honest.
Instead they've chosen to pretend this doesn't exist and fight anyone who discusses it, which has created a conspiracy theory (and possibly has led to some deaths for people who didn't alter their behavior post-shot).
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
While there is plenty of fear being peddled, it’s tough to argue that
1.) There is enough of a reason to be suspicious of these shots
2.) There is enough reason to worry MORE since it’s now booster city to ever be considered “up to date”
3.) These two points are supported by the apparent failure of the vax to do anything other than potentially reduce risk of death (already a tiny risk)
At a minimum, there should be no talk of mandates or childhood vax. This should be an emergency intervention for those willing.
1.) There is enough of a reason to be suspicious of these shots
2.) There is enough reason to worry MORE since it’s now booster city to ever be considered “up to date”
3.) These two points are supported by the apparent failure of the vax to do anything other than potentially reduce risk of death (already a tiny risk)
At a minimum, there should be no talk of mandates or childhood vax. This should be an emergency intervention for those willing.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Do you agree they should have done that with the virus as well? Because when the data came out about myocarditis and the virus people used it as an agenda to shut shut down
Boom. Simple. And honest.
Just the world we live in. Any data gets stretched and manipulated. Don’t rely on any news source, just read the data yourself
quote:Im sure some do, but what I’ve read is this message “myocarditis is extremely rare and the virus loses more risk than the vaccine”. Which is true. The places I choose to consume information hasnt once hinted at vaccine myocarditis being impossible
Instead they've chosen to pretend this doesn't exist and fight anyone who discusses it, which has created a conspiracy theory (and possibly has led to some deaths for people who didn't alter their behavior post-shot).
Hell, the CDC even had on their website the incident rate of myocarditis and the vaccine. So I’m not sure where you are saying it’s being dismissed as impossible
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 7:54 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:53 am to lsupride87
quote:
Do you agree they should have done that with the virus as well?
They DID do it with the virus as well, but more dishonestly and like fear porn.
I remember all of the "permanent heart damage" and "permanent lung damage" while they were in this phase pretending like we could corral the spread.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:54 am to LSUfan20005
If Omicron is any signal, the vaccination push is going to lose its luster.
I don't think there is very much proof to be suspicious of the vaccinations.
quote:
1.) There is enough of a reason to be suspicious of these shots
I don't think there is very much proof to be suspicious of the vaccinations.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
1. There is a small risk of inflammation of the heart for a month after vaccination, especially for males under 40 2. Reduce strenuous activity during this time and that should resolve almost all issues to make the risk even lower Boom. Simple. And honest.
Isn’t that exactly what the CDC is doing here?
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 7:59 am
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