re: More American women are single than ever before—and it’s costing them big money

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You usually argue that the wealth gap doesn't exist.

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It doesn’t.

This was an awesome arse kicking of Maddow’s smug arse on this issue too.

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See, this is what I'm talking about in responding in bad faith.

It's very obvious that a society's values are reflected in their laws, which was the point of my post. You know this, because you try to use it further down in your post, but here you act as though you're clueless about it.

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That was not a bad faith response. You made a statement about the whole country based on the fact that some women in some states get legal abortions. As if allowing women to get abortions legally shows society values women and children.

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What the hell other example do I need beyond his or her life? That seems to cover all the rest of them. doesn't it?

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Like I posted above, this is a sweeping statement about the whole country based on the fact that some women in some states get legal abortions. Using that logic, the fact that several states have total abortion bans must prove that society doesn't value women.

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by implication you are using the basis of laws reflecting values here after acting clueless about it above,

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I did no such thing. You brought up abortion and claimed that the fact that some states allow legal abortion is proof that society values women.

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AND you're now arguing that the US government is moving in the direction of valuing and protecting the lives of children after your initial statement was that society doesn't care about children.

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What? Again, I did no such thing. I pointed out that some states allow abortion and some states do not so you cannot logically use one state's abortion laws as proof that an entire country values or devalues something.

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I can name several things in society that favor women over men (like the topic we're currently discussing...men get no say in this, only women),

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I said society doesn't value women. Several posters responded with incredulity. Would you like to shift the discussion to proof that society values men?

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does that mean your original statement is false?

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I posted my arguments demonstrating why society doesn't value women. You are arguing that because some states allow legal abortions, that is the only proof necessary to shut this discussion down entirely.

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What leftist website did you copy & paste those lies from?

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Are you asking for links to the studies that informed my arguments?

Warning that they won't be in the form of tweets.

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I don't know why I'm still shocked at how emotionally unstable the average poster here is.

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You shouldn’t be. This is the result of several generations of men growing up in a gynocentric matriarchy that tells everyone their feelings matter and that empathy is a virtue.

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. what other evidence do you have that society values women and children

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You must have value. You still exist do you not? If there were no value to you, would you not be discarded?

Do you think about these absurd takes for even a second?

lol. You didn't even read it.

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In the U.S., since ~2003, death certificates have a “pregnancy checkbox” to indicate if a woman was pregnant at the time of death or within the prior year. If so, it is counted as a "maternal death." E.g., “pregnancy-associated” deaths (suicide, overdose, homicide) are leading causes of death in the postpartum period. None of which are recorded elsewhere ... because they are bullshite stats. A woman shot on vacation in Acapulco 11 months post-US-delivery .... Yep! That's a US maternal death.

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That's not how the CDC calculates maternal mortality.

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This report presents maternal mortality rates for 2022 based on data from the National Vital Statistics System. A maternal death is defined by the World Health Organization as “the death of a woman while pregnant or within 42 days of termination of pregnancy, irrespective of the duration and the site of the pregnancy, from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy or its management, but not from accidental or incidental causes” (

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You made a statement about the whole country based on the fact that some women in some states get legal abortions. As if allowing women to get abortions legally shows society values women and children.

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No I didn't. YOU made a statement about the entire society not valuing women and children. Period. Remember the period? That's an important part. That communicates totality as well as finality.

You didn't specify what you were basing it on, but I've read enough of your posts in the past to know that the basis is things like the government not forcing employers to pay women to stay home with their babies instead of exchanging pay for work (but I'M the one making emotional arguments .)

Then I asked whether YOUR broad statement was actually true and offered a counter-point example of society valuing women's feels so much that we've made it legal for women to kill another human being based on those feels, while men have no say in the mater even though the chid in question belongs to them too.

It's not necessary for me to list other examples (although I could, like the way divorce laws are set up and the fact that men have to register for Selective Service while women don't, the fact that we have affirmative action laws and policies designed to benefit women based on their gender, but not men, etc., etc.) and it's not even necessary for the example I gave to be true across the entire country. When you say "Period," that balloon is popped by one example to the contrary.

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That was not a bad faith response.

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Then it's a completely thoughtless one. As usual, you're not reflecting what I said accurately. See above.

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Like I posted above, this is a sweeping statement about the whole country

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Well, we wouldn't want to make sweeping statements about the whole country, would we? We wouldn't want to say, "Society doesn't value women and children. Period." Would we?

The funny thing here is that you think you've got a gotcha because my response to YOUR sweeping statement about the whole country (or it may have even been the whole of western society given the word choice) doesn't apply equally across every state.

You don't even see that you started this with YOUR sweeping statement and all I was doing was offering an example to challenge it.

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Using that logic, the fact that several states have total abortion bans must prove that society doesn't value women.

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No, dolt, what it means is that those states value children's lives more than women's feels. Remember that your original sweeping statement abut all of society included both women and children.

Which is why I brought it up in the post you're quoting. That was you not even realizing you were arguing against your own blanket, broad, sweeping statement.

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I did no such thing. You brought up abortion and claimed that the fact that some states allow legal abortion is proof that society values women.

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Oh my goodness.

You know what? I think I owe you an apology. I always assumed when you did stuff like this you did it intentionally. I no longer think that's the case. You really don't see how you've stepped all over your own self here logically.

I'm sure you're a professionally capable person. My wife is; she just got another promotion recently and is now the head of the university clinic she teaches at. I'm proud of her.

But if there's ever an argument, she does the same stuff you do here. She does not understand what I'm saying (she thinks she does, but she doesn't), she can't respond to it appropriately/logically, she fixates on some irrelevant aspect of it instead of the real point of it, etc.

And everyone does that sometimes. But she does it EVERY TIME.

You do too.

It's either that, or you simply aren't very smart, or you do it on purpose.

I used to think you did it on purpose. Now I think it's just because you're a woman.

Now here's where it gets difficult. Just like you didn't get what you're oblivious to in my previous post, you won't get what I just posted, either.

It will make you mad and you'll make some snarky sarcastic reply, probably (intentionally this time) straw manning what I just said.

But it's not meant to be insulting. It's actually me realizing that this stuff that you do that is so annoying is not intentional for the most part.

Now that being said, I still have no desire to attempt to seriously engage regardless of why it's impossible to do so with you.