re: Mom arrested for homeschooling kids. This is why people want change

I simply cannot think of any more way as a human I could be violated than to have my son taken from my wife and I against our will. Unless we have done something completely henious.

Let's say that she filed no paper work and they missed school for half a year. What right is it for any government at any level to rip these kids away from their parents? How does this not violate due process? Who's right is it to tell me that my child has to obtain an education based on standards of the state? This is "abuse" based on a preconceived notion that the states way is the right way. Regardless of the child's well being.

I want my son to have the best education possible but you can't possibly tell me we live in a free country where I'm not at liberty to decide that.

How did we lose that fundamental right?

You cite an example where they didn't put the kid in foster care. Not saying the government doesn't screw up (all the time), but they don't throw kids in foster care after one week of truancy (due to a home schooling paperwork issue).

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Wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if government people came and took your kids? Don't think it can happen? OK. Just remember these words, "a government powerful enough to give you everything is also powerful enough to take everything away as well".

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Preach it Darth.

So an Amish community actually submits reports to the state on the education status of its residents? Or risk the state coming in and taking its children? How does this work?

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I want my son to have the best education possible but you can't possibly tell me we live in a free country where I'm not at liberty to decide that.

How did we lose that fundamental right?

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I'm glad you brought this up! Because that has happened too.

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Joe and eight of the children were away, but Nicole – who is five-months pregnant – was home with the two oldest kids. Sheriff deputies then seemingly allowed Nicole and the two children to drive away but they got only a short distance before deputies pulled them over and took the two children away from the mom, who was arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. (She says the arrest took place after she did not passively allow deputies to take the children.) Nicole was able to contact her husband and have a brief conversation.

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These people live off grid. The educate their kids in a different manner.

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In an official form the family posted online, Kentucky’s version of Child Protective Services said the children were “not living in appropriate conditions” and not “enrolled in school.” Another official form even complained there was no fence around the pond.

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Yet in a the first visit (that's right... there was no investigation prior to the taking of the kids) CPS visited the family’s home on Friday morning and issued a good report on the living conditions, Ellsworth said. The Naugler’s attorney – considered by the family the best in the county – was present.
“CPS was very kind. They OK’d just about everything,”

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“In unschooling, education doesn’t take a backseat. It’s listening to what they’re interested in and fascinated in.”

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All kids were separated and sent to homes in 4 different counties.


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“They've gone after my home and my business life. Even have gone so far ... to make unsubstantiated allegations to government agencies to try to intimidate us in that manner,” Nicole Naugler said. About a year ago, their children were taken by protective services. "We got full custody back, and as a matter of fact, the piece of paper we got from the state … CPS … all they found was that we didn't register as home schoolers with the county school board,” Joseph Naugler said.

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So they made claims... but what it came down to was the home schooling.

Once they got them back, it didn't stop. Another agency stepped in.

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Now, they're facing more trouble. This time, it’s with the Health Department. In a letter sent earlier this month, the Department says the family is dumping human waste on the ground, and if they don't stop, they could face criminal charges with the County Attorney's Office. Environmentalist Jeremy Hinton with the Department says they have been given 20 days to stop. The deadline is next Sunday. The family claims they have a self-composting toilet,

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So a phone call was taped

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oseph recorded a phone conversation with the Health Department and sent it to WDRB. In the conversation, the environmentalist, Jeremy Hinton, admits he's never been to their property. "What factual evidence have you acquired to investigate the claims?” Joseph Naugler said in the call. “Other than the claims, I have not been on your property," Hinton said.

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It get's better...

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EPA has now been contacted and may test the water there.

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I'm still trying to figure out how this is the fed's fault.

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Because Trump?

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Basically, the issue is the federal gov feels it has more rights over your kids than you do

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They'd be corpses...if they said they have to go back to school until "x" that would be one thing...

But taking them away without due process is nuckity futz...I'd leave that hole

Her Facebook has a post from last year saying that she was homeschooling her kids. I suspect that her kids were not in school for most of the year and CPS was notified, so she wrote down a couple of declarations in December to try to legal her way out of it.

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Sounds like there could be a bitter ex involved?

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Nope! Kids wouldn't be in foster care if another parent was involved. They would be with their father.