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re: Mojave Desert solar plant pulls plug. Fails to deliver, murders 6K birds annually.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:52 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:52 am to SouthEasternKaiju
The irony of the left and their solar farms, that have destroyed the farmland of the United States, and left behind hyper polluting eyesores that will NEVER be converted back to farmland because the solar contracts do not A) specify an end date to use of the land and B) have not "restore to original conditions" language in the contract that is binding.
But, muh green energy.
But, muh green energy.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:42 am to BugAC
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A) specify an end date to use of the land and B) have not "restore to original conditions" language in the contract that is binding.
Most contracts have both of these. I get at least 1 offer a month and the vast majority have remediation and a term date at 30 or 35 unless there’s a mutual extension.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:51 am to MidWestGuy
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With the level of computer modelling today, and what we know about materials, physics, etc, there is no need for a test facility of this scale. Your model will tell you a lot about the feasibility, and a small scale prototype (maybe 1 MW, not the ~ 400 MW size they installed) will tell you most of the rest. If 1MW is good, learn from it and build a 10MW, if good, then 100 MW, etc.
Modeling for solar thermal is pretty infantile because there have only been a few attempts at it. They have to adapt existing NREL or private sector TMY data sets and there’s so much uncertainty in it that it’s basically useless.
Completely agree on the scale issue. It was a money grab to try and build something huge and unproven.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:08 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Argued on this board several years ago about what a boondoggle this solar plant was. All we heard was about how technology had advanced, etc..etc.. and we didn't understand it.
In retrospect... I think we sure the frick did understand it.
In retrospect... I think we sure the frick did understand it.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:33 am to SouthEasternKaiju
More democrat waste
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:35 am to billjamin
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I get at least 1 offer a month and the vast majority have remediation and a term date at 30 or 35 unless there’s a mutual extension.
What are the terms of remediation? Most i've seen are open ended with no specific date. Articles i've read of farms ending still have acres of foundations that were not removed by the entity that installed them.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:42 am to BugAC
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What are the terms of remediation? Most i've seen are open ended with no specific date. Articles i've read of farms ending still have acres of foundations that were not removed by the entity that installed them.
Varies. The land hustlers try to keep it minimal so they can fluff the project sale price. Typical first offer is equipment removal and some soil tests to confirm no contamination. They only offer the testing because they know its cheap, nothing will come from it and it shoots down the leeching idea. We usually counter all equipment including surface and buried, regrading to original and a 3 year fund to bring the pasture back online (ranching, not farming land). And we make set an 18 month remediation timeline that we extend the final lease price to cover and anything beyond is a 5% monthly escalator.
We've had those terms accepted by a couple developers but the deals blew up for other reasons. Mostly because they wouldn't grant us surface access for O&G development in the same area or they wanted to put them closer to our main pastures or houses.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:45 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Has there ever been a solar power scheme that did live up to it's promises? To the public i mean, not to the Democrats receiving the kickbacks from all of these solar scams.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:31 pm to BugAC
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Has there ever been a solar power scheme that did live up to it's promises?
Traditional PV solar almost always performs as expected. I don't do any utility scale solar portfolios but my investors do and they typically perform in the 99.5-101% performance index (actual production vs expected production)
These other weird non PV solar are the wonky ones.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:33 pm to SallysHuman
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repurposed for a new kind of solar energy.
The sun is in beta testing for version 2.0 apparently.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:35 pm to roadGator
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The sun is in beta testing for version 2.0 apparently.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 12:39 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Mojave Desert solar plant pulls plug
I've driven past that thing dozens of times. It's ugly as sin. And it's as big as Stacey Abrams' arse too. Good riddance.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:08 pm to LSUSkip
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Correct. It was just done wrong this time because of xyz reason. We just need to try again, we'll get it right this time.
I can actually live with this if someone wants to be a Thomas Edison, but it needs to be on their private dollar & not my tax money
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:57 pm to Diamondawg
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How do you spend $2.2B on that?
That was just the construction price. Imagine how much it cost to operate and maintain. And they had to also purchase and burn 525 million cubic feet of natural gas per year to keep up the flow of energy...emittng 50,000 tons of CO2 per year and qualifying as a "greenhouse gas emitter" under California law.
Green energy, my friends
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:48 pm to L.A.
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I've driven past that thing dozens of times.
Where is it located? I saw something like that driving between Las Vegas and Lancaster, CA.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:56 pm to blueridgeTiger
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Where is it located? I saw something like that driving between Las Vegas and Lancaster, CA.
Zoom out for a broader view - zoom in to see the white hot tower.
LINK
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:09 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
We owe the Bundy Clan a debt of gratitude.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:19 pm to MidWestGuy
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Zoom out for a broader view
Yea, that's what I saw along I-15.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:23 pm to blueridgeTiger
That one is massive. Wonder if it is
Worth a
Damn but it’s huge. There another on the east side before Vegas too that’s huge.
Worth a
Damn but it’s huge. There another on the east side before Vegas too that’s huge.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:48 pm to blueridgeTiger
It’s just south of Primm, Nevada but on the California side of the border. It would be on the right (west) side if you are traveling south towards California
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