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re: Mo brooks responds to Trump.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:49 pm to dr
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:49 pm to dr
First, the word fact does not appear in my post. I provided an analysis of VoxDawg's hypo under the US Constitution.
But by all means refute the substance of my analysis. For all your rambling, I notice that you very rarely actually offer rebuttals, counterarguments, or anything else to the discussion.
You disagree with my conclusion and claim that I am uninformed. So inform me. Why am I wrong here when I posted that:
But by all means refute the substance of my analysis. For all your rambling, I notice that you very rarely actually offer rebuttals, counterarguments, or anything else to the discussion.
You disagree with my conclusion and claim that I am uninformed. So inform me. Why am I wrong here when I posted that:
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There are no special elections for POTUS, and there cannot be without Constitutional amendment. The POTUS cannot do it militarily or unilaterally. There is simply no legal basis for it.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 2:54 pm
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:49 pm to TigerDoc
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After inauguration - sure. You can impeach and remove.
And then what? It's not getting Trump put back in? You going to keep impeaching Dems until you get a good guy in the line of succession? Thats a LOT of impeaching
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
How many times has Mo Brooks run for US senate and lost? Add another one. Dude is a perennial loser.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:54 pm to VoxDawg
quote:What foreign interference?
Coordinated foreign interference in a general election and critical election infrastructure is an act of war.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:58 pm to lsu13lsu
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So there is nothing you can do if cheating is found in an election? That is in the constitution?
Of course there is. But the evidence can't be Trump saying so. It also can't be videos of ballots being taken from under a table then counted. There has to be ACTUAL evidence of cheating that occurred with enough votes to sway the election. There was no evidence that met that standard.
And I'm saying this as someone who thinks the election was stolen. You can probably prove a few hundred votes were harvested, but so what! That gets someone jail time, but it is not grounds for overturning a state's delegate slate that was awarded based on a margin 10 times that.
The election was stolen via vote harvesting. That can't be proven. It must be PREVENTED with rules in place before the election. Those rules existed, but they were changed "due to covid".
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:58 pm to VoxDawg
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Coordinated foreign interference in a general election and critical election infrastructure is an act of war.
youve seen proof of this?
I swear 2022 and 2024 are a chance to reverse course, change minds, and make REAL conservative progress, and ya'll are going to frick it up.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:00 pm to Penrod
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Of course there is. But the evidence can't be Trump saying so. It also can't be videos of ballots being taken from under a table then counted. There has to be ACTUAL evidence of cheating that occurred with enough votes to sway the election. There was no evidence that met that standard.
And I'm saying this as someone who thinks the election was stolen. You can probably prove a few hundred votes were harvested, but so what! That gets someone jail time, but it is not grounds for overturning a state's delegate slate that was awarded based on a margin 10 times that.
The election was stolen via vote harvesting. That can't be proven. It must be PREVENTED with rules in place before the election. Those rules existed, but they were changed "due to covid".
For this reasonable and pragmatic take, you are now a Democrat shill cuck.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Lying again, SMH.
There was recourse to stop the steal but these pussy RINOs keep parroting the line that there was nothing they could do. Pathetic.
There was recourse to stop the steal but these pussy RINOs keep parroting the line that there was nothing they could do. Pathetic.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:03 pm to Indefatigable
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For this reasonable and pragmatic take, you are now a Democrat shill cuck.
Well, it is Penrod.
Seriously, I think that is the first thing he has written I agree with 100%.
You can know a crime was committed. You need to prove it though. Screaming stolen without presenting the hard evidence just makes you look like a clown.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I think you and I have different definitions of "tough". I'd put a dollar to a dime that Trump has never been in an actual fight in his life. Remember, he's a New York City trust fund baby, not an oil patch baw.
I'm talking about his willingness to say some things that need to be said, which many Republicans won't do. He doesn't feel the need to be politically correct but will put things bluntly. Unfortunately, he just goes too far in the things he says sometimes.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:41 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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all we can do is try to ensure that we have fair, safe elections going forward.
Trust them, they won’t cheat again.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:44 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Trump is being petty. I'm not a big Mo Brooks fan, but he didn't do anything to Trump. The 2020 election can't be changed, all we can do is try to ensure that we have fair, safe elections going forward.
Truth
Brooks is hurting Brooks in this election
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:45 pm to SportTiger1
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I swear 2022 and 2024 are a chance to reverse course, change minds, and make REAL conservative progress
You are a fool.
They will cheat again, and you will accept it.
Not only will you accept it, you will look forward to 2026 and 2028.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
A state can rescind its electors if they so choose. If enough states do, and neither candidate has 270 electoral votes, the house chooses the president.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This thread is full of "Republican" pussies. 
No wonder "Republican" politicians are such pussies.
No wonder "Republican" politicians are such pussies.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:06 pm to VoxDawg
What is the mechanism?
Mike Pence and the Senate could have said the Electoral College results were unclear due to needing clarification.
A significant number of state legislators submitting objections to their electors due to possible fraud, as well as substantial evidence of fraud in some precincts, including the pause in counting in many of the largest precincts in the country, that when counting resumed resulted in 80% to 90% changes in favor of one candidate. thereby eliminating a clear majority winner in the Electoral College.
Congress could have acted as in the example below:
Due to this uncertainty and the paramount importance of the end result, all states are required by Congress to audit their ballot counts. Emergency funding will be provided and Federal auditors will be assigned from each state's National Guard Judge Advocate General's Corps to oversee each state's appointed officials requiring them to, by their own election law rules, disqualify all ballots found to be cast by dead people, noncitizens, or felons. Duplicate ballots and absentee ballot applications that are disqualified because of missteps in the process, and are not cured, to the satisfaction of the individual states laws, are to be disqualified as well as any other ballot deemed invalid by each state's election laws. Hard deadline of May 6. The Electoral College will have till May 15 to resubmit their electoral votes. On May 15 the senate will reconvene and if one candidate has a majority in the Electoral College, certify the election, if not the issue goes to the House of Representatives for a vote.
In 1824 the House of Representatives elected Secretary of State John Quincy Adams as President, following an inconclusive Electoral College result. The House performed the constitutionally prescribed role of deciding the presidential election. Andrew Jackson of Tennessee had won the popular vote but commanded only 99 electoral votes. He was followed in the electoral tally by Adams with 84. On the appointed day, each state delegation got one vote. On the first ballot a majority—chose Adams as President. Jackson was convinced that the election had been stolen from him, but by law the result was valid.
Biden and the Democrats would have cried foul as well but the constitution is clear. If there is not a clear Electoral College winner Congress has the power to act. If Pence and the other Senators had any ethics about them or truly care about election integrity, they would have taken these actions, or similar, and would have been constitutionally sound in that they would not have been interfering in State's rights to determine their own election laws. Congress would have just been asking for clarification in order to perform their constitutionally required duty to certify the election.
Mike Pence and the Senate could have said the Electoral College results were unclear due to needing clarification.
A significant number of state legislators submitting objections to their electors due to possible fraud, as well as substantial evidence of fraud in some precincts, including the pause in counting in many of the largest precincts in the country, that when counting resumed resulted in 80% to 90% changes in favor of one candidate. thereby eliminating a clear majority winner in the Electoral College.
Congress could have acted as in the example below:
Due to this uncertainty and the paramount importance of the end result, all states are required by Congress to audit their ballot counts. Emergency funding will be provided and Federal auditors will be assigned from each state's National Guard Judge Advocate General's Corps to oversee each state's appointed officials requiring them to, by their own election law rules, disqualify all ballots found to be cast by dead people, noncitizens, or felons. Duplicate ballots and absentee ballot applications that are disqualified because of missteps in the process, and are not cured, to the satisfaction of the individual states laws, are to be disqualified as well as any other ballot deemed invalid by each state's election laws. Hard deadline of May 6. The Electoral College will have till May 15 to resubmit their electoral votes. On May 15 the senate will reconvene and if one candidate has a majority in the Electoral College, certify the election, if not the issue goes to the House of Representatives for a vote.
In 1824 the House of Representatives elected Secretary of State John Quincy Adams as President, following an inconclusive Electoral College result. The House performed the constitutionally prescribed role of deciding the presidential election. Andrew Jackson of Tennessee had won the popular vote but commanded only 99 electoral votes. He was followed in the electoral tally by Adams with 84. On the appointed day, each state delegation got one vote. On the first ballot a majority—chose Adams as President. Jackson was convinced that the election had been stolen from him, but by law the result was valid.
Biden and the Democrats would have cried foul as well but the constitution is clear. If there is not a clear Electoral College winner Congress has the power to act. If Pence and the other Senators had any ethics about them or truly care about election integrity, they would have taken these actions, or similar, and would have been constitutionally sound in that they would not have been interfering in State's rights to determine their own election laws. Congress would have just been asking for clarification in order to perform their constitutionally required duty to certify the election.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:11 pm to shoelessjoe
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A state can rescind its electors if they so choose. If enough states do, and neither candidate has 270 electoral votes, the house chooses the president.
This can only happen before Congress counts the votes. Once that is done, it’s over. It isn’t something that can be done retroactively.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:14 pm to TigerDoc
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After inauguration - sure. You can impeach and remove.
Great. Then we end up with Kamala or Pelosi.
A potato is better than either of them.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:14 pm to DocSavage
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Due to this uncertainty and the paramount importance of the end result, all states are required by Congress to audit their ballot counts. Emergency funding will be provided and Federal auditors will be assigned from each state's National Guard Judge Advocate General's Corps to oversee each state's appointed officials requiring them to, by their own election law rules, disqualify all ballots found to be cast by dead people, noncitizens, or felons. Duplicate ballots and absentee ballot applications that are disqualified because of missteps in the process, and are not cured, to the satisfaction of the individual states laws, are to be disqualified as well as any other ballot deemed invalid by each state's election laws. Hard deadline of May 6. The Electoral College will have till May 15 to resubmit their electoral votes. On May 15 the senate will reconvene and if one candidate has a majority in the Electoral College, certify the election, if not the issue goes to the House of Representatives for a vote.
All of that would require amending the Constitution. Not really something Congress could have done between early November and early January.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Trump broke you. You can find solace in blowing Rubio.
Note to staff: using op's own words to beat that a$$
Note to staff: using op's own words to beat that a$$
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