re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source

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ETA: If you are being sarcastic then my apologies. If not, I stand by what I said.

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Definite sarcasm

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Definite sarcasm

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My sincerest apologies.

I agree. The preliminary autopsy reports are very telling. Can't wait to see how to those celebs that were pressured into speaking out about Ferguson are going to save face now that the facts are coming out.

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My wife and I got in to a spirited debate last night. She insisted cops are trained to shoot for the legs to drop someone and this he was shooting to kill since all of his gunshot wounds were high.

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I am a Cop, and no offense but your wife is an idiot. We are not trained to shoot for the legs to drop someone.

In a situation like what has been reported (whether accurately or not).

The reported situation is that the subject attacked the officer inside of the vehicle and attempted to disarm him. (Right then in that moment the officer could have shot and killed the suspect and it would have been a "good shoot").

But the Suspect fled, and the cop (rightfully so) gave chase while ordering the suspect to surrender.

Suspect then turned and proceeded to charge the cop. Remember that the suspect has already injured the cop and attempted to disarm him. With that in mind the suspect is charging him, so he did what he was trained to do and stop the threat.

With adrenaline pumping and a reported facial injury....the cop's accuracy was understandably affected.

What everyone needs to remember is that all of the facts have not been released yet (nor should they be during an investigation).

From everything that I have read so far.....it appears to be a "good shoot". BUT as I have stated.....all of the facts are not in. If the officer did commit an unjustified homicide....he should and will answer for it.

Another thing people need to understand is that this is not a fricking TV show or a movie. Life and death situations such as these play out at a very rapid pace. A split second hesitation and the suspect could disarm an officer, and you could be watching a law enforcement funeral play out on national television. So please remember that most law enforcement officers have families that they love and want to go home in one peace to as well.

Remember that this situation could have all been avoided if Brown had not conducted himself in such a manner.

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BobBoucher

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I forgot to add that I was sorry to hear that you didn't get any.......that always sucks when it happens to me as well. I feel your pain brother

Eric Holder don't give a shite about this. He's still hard at work framing the narrative.

Fair enough. I appreciate the perspective. Would an injury like that typically shut an eye from swelling? And, if so, how fast or temporary? I think that might be what causes my suspicion. Does Wilson's behavior on the street seem like a guy blind in one eye?

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infantry1026

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great post

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I don't think a cops initial reaction should be a gun, but there are many things to consider.

1) the cop may not know if he is armed. I have no issue with a cop shooting someone if they feel they are being threatened but don't know if he is armed or not.
2) if someone isn't armed and the cop knows that, he should use non lethal methods to contain him.
3) Use a taser if necessary, but only to stop someone who is trying to beat you up as a cop. Tasers are always overused and used to quickly.
4) don't be trigger happy, only use a gun when that is the only way to defend yourself. Again a initial reaction of using a gun is fine but if you know the person is unarmed use non lethal methods.

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All are very good points and I do agree. I do want to focus on number 2 though because most people fail to understand the intricacies of that mindset.

What most do not understand is that if a suspect attempts to grab your weapon.....armed or not (suspect), that is an attempt on the officer's life. They are not trying to disarm the officer to bake him a cake with the weapon.

I realize that you did touch on the officer using deadly force if he feels threatened in #1, but the statement in #2 insinuates that if a suspect is unarmed.....he should only use non-lethal.


I have heard speculation that Brown may have also had PCP in his system as well. Whether that is factual or not has not been established (to my knowledge).
BUT it would definitely fit with Brown's apparent actions. We have dealt with a significant number of individuals who dip blunts in liquid PCP, and it does cause a similar reaction.

One of my buddies was attacked in his vehicle by a suspect on the side of the interstate, the suspect also attempted to disarm my buddy. The only way he was brought down was by numerous officers arriving and deploying tasers numerous times. And really the only reason he went down is because he grew tired of fighting....because he was still fighting through the taser.

Another one of my buddies was injured on a call involving a former NFL safety high on PCP.

It is definitely becoming a major problem.