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re: Mississippi just eliminated state income taxes.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:37 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:37 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Flat tax across the board would be more fair.
The theory is this. When you take funding for local services out of the locality, and put it in Baton Rouge, Jackson, Montgomery, you stand a better than average chance of that money not finding its way back to the locality. I csn tell you from a republican elected official's standpoint, when we go to Jackson to ask for money for a project, it's like pulling teeth, because you're up against corporate lobbyists who are paying those legislators to steer that money here or there. I'm telling you, and I've seen it time and time again. When they see a stack of money laying over there, greedy hands start reaching. And then you'll see localities not having guaranteed funding to provide basic services, schools, and to keep their roads up.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 2:38 pm
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:54 pm to bhtigerfan
Tate Reeves has been a fantastic governor but he barely won (for Mississippi Republican standards) his two elections because people don’t like his face. People are so superficial and stupid.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:57 pm to FriedEggBowL
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You like local public schools?
You like to have local fire, police, and sheriff protection?
You like to ride on roads and bridges, instead of wading across wetlands on your feet?
You like having a court system to hold someone accountable for wronging you?
You like having a court system so that you can divorce that 3rd mistake you made?
You like having an ambulance service?
You like being able to record a land deed so that you own property and someone can't just claim your property?
I could keep going, but all of those things are just a small sample of things your local property taxes 100% fund. Remove property taxes and your life will drastically change for the worse.
I missed the part where any of this justifies theft via government fiat. Just because someone might be drowning doesn't mean it is morally right to steal money from someone else to buy them a life jacket.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:08 pm to FriedEggBowL
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I'm still waiting for someone to step up and explain how they plan to fund eliminating property taxes. It's not like those expenses will just go away because you don't collect property taxes to fund them. You gonna give it a shot?
It is very very very simple. Some other source other than property tax. Not sure what is so hard to understand. Cut tax here.... raise tax there.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:09 pm to omegaman66
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omegaman66
love that very specific response
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:14 pm to FriedEggBowL
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love that very specific response
OK to be super super specific for you. Cut out all property tax and make specifically YOU FriedEggBowl pay whatever shortfall happens.
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I started off by saying I hope eliminating income tax wasn't going to be shifted to property tax. See I grasp that the burden will move elsewhere. Why can't you?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:23 pm to omegaman66
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See I grasp that the burden will move elsewhere. Why can't you?
because i'm not a freeloader, wanting to enjoy all of the services that i listed without helping pay for it. you'd be the first one on here bitching about giant potholes in the road not being fixed (because there's no money to fix them), or having to detour 25 miles around a bridge that fell in because an overloaded log truck broke the pilings under it and there was no money to fix it, or when your house catches fire and there's no FD to come put it out or help get you out, or when you or a family member has a wreck on the highway and there's no FD or ambulance to come rescue you and take you to the hospital, or when you have no public schools because there's no money to operate them, or when some yahoo breaks in your house and steals all of your shite and there's no sheriff for you to call or 911 center for you to call into, because again, there's no money to fund those mundane, unnecessary things
and oh by the way....where there's no sheriff's dept or police dept or Fire Dept, you're gonna pay about 20 times more in homeowner's insurance (a lot more than you pay in property taxes). Because the insurance company's risk will have gone way up, and they're gonna cover their risk, regardless. Didn't think of that, did you?
you could always just go live here
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:34 pm to FriedEggBowL
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The theory is this. When you take funding for local services out of the locality, and put it in Baton Rouge, Jackson, Montgomery, you stand a better than average chance of that money not finding its way back to the locality. I csn tell you from a republican elected official's standpoint, when we go to Jackson to ask for money for a project, it's like pulling teeth, because you're up against corporate lobbyists who are paying those legislators to steer that money here or there. I'm telling you, and I've seen it time and time again. When they see a stack of money laying over there, greedy hands start reaching. And then you'll see localities not having guaranteed funding to provide basic services, schools, and to keep their roads up.
So state politicians being corrupt is why local authorities want to overtax property owners. Sounds about right.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:37 pm to Jdash13
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politicians have laid the wood to our state
True, but the politicans did their part to bring amendment 2 to the ballot. Libs, lawyers and Kweenz tryna stop dat!
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:50 pm to SippyCup
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But on what? Grocery tax down, what went up? Buc-cees doesn’t sell enough gas to make up for the loss income tax.
The new Buc-ee’s will have 126 pumps. You think they put that many just for show. Most Buc-ee’s have at least 120 pumps.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:00 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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is why local authorities want to overtax property owners
who says you're overtaxed? costs to run local government services has gone up in recent years just like costs for the average consumer has gone up. In some cases, it's gone up worse for governments. Property taxes are based on the valuation of your property in regards to current market values in your area. When retards ran up the price of homes and building materials during covid, those chickens were coming home to roost at some point, in the form of higher property valuations that are based on the current market and what properties sold for as recorded by your tax collector. Don't want to pay taxes on a $500,000 home, don't buy a $500,000 home. Now, if your local leaders are squandering and wasting your tax dollars, that's on voters to vote their arses out and get someone in there that will spend wisely. But, to act like all the services i mentioned that you enjoy having would be funded without property taxes is elementary level thinking. I'll say again, when you can't afford police or fire protection in your area, your homeowner's insurance will go up waaaaayyyy higher than any property tax you might have been paying to provide those police and fire protection services
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:02 pm to bhtigerfan
every state i've lived in that had no or low income tax had sky high property taxes. illinois' income tax when we lived there had a 1.5% income tax on every dollar over 100k but our property taxes were 14k per year. texas had no income tax but our property taxes were 18k.
republicans have cut our income tax which used to be 7% on ever dollar over 34k down to 2.9% and and you don't hit that top rate until 92k.
last year i paid 10k in arkansas income tax and $3500 in property taxes. it will be interesting to see how mississippi replaces the revenue.
republicans have cut our income tax which used to be 7% on ever dollar over 34k down to 2.9% and and you don't hit that top rate until 92k.
last year i paid 10k in arkansas income tax and $3500 in property taxes. it will be interesting to see how mississippi replaces the revenue.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:54 pm to FriedEggBowL
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you'd be the first one on here bitching about giant potholes in the road not being fixed (because there's no money to fix them)
Why wouldn't there be money to fix the potholes if the difference was made up by higher sales tax or income tax?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:11 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Then why is it so successful in Texas? Good roads, good public schools, no tax on groceries or income?
Because Louisiana state government is full of the "this is the way we've always done it" mentality.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:37 pm to omegaman66
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Why wouldn't there be money to fix the potholes if the difference was made up by higher sales tax or income tax?
You dodo bird. The whole purpose of this thread was that MS just eliminated the state income tax, and if you think people bitch about property tax, wait until you hear them bitch about 40% sales tax to pay for everything property taxes used to pay for.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:46 pm to FriedEggBowL
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I'm all ears. But you can't say "the state should give it to you to provide those services", because a locality has to have guaranteed revenue and not be subject to some lobbyist paying a state legislator to funnel money away from that county, leaving that locality with nothing to provide services and maintenance of roads and bridges. Besides, where do you think "the state" is going to get the money. It will be the same amount of money needed. It's just a shell game. Wouldn't you rather be able to hold your local leaders accountable for spending your local tax dollars the right way. As opposed to some beurocrat or state legislator that can leave your locality unfunded and still get re-elected because he doesn't need the votes in your area for re-election.
Most of what you just described is state waste and corruption. Cleaning that up opens doors from a revenue and spend standpoint you appear to view as insurmountable.
Just because your state sucks from an efficiency standpoint doesn’t mean it has to be there and it can in fact be changed.
We can provide all the services you mentioned at a lower price point while increasing efficiency and effectiveness by utilizing web services for vehicle renewals and many other services.
Once costs are brought down current tax revenues from property taxes can be applied through use and sales taxes and spend locked by balanced budget amendments to ensure spend doesn’t ratchet back up and tax revenues aren’t taken for purposes they weren’t initially intended.
Finally things such as lotteries and gambling can provide alternative revenue streams.
And as I mentioned, other states are already achieving that goal, it’s not like we’re talking about inventing cold fusion.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:50 pm to _Hurricane_
It’s a State run by attorneys.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:54 pm to tide06
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Most of what you just described is state waste and corruption
Funding schools, fixing roads and bridges that must be inspected yearly, and providing police, sheriff, and fire protection is waste? Ok chief.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 6:01 pm to FriedEggBowL
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Funding schools, fixing roads and bridges that must be inspected yearly, and providing police, sheriff, and fire protection is waste? Ok chief
There is waste involved in public schools (admin roles), roads (corrupt contracts) and shared state services such as the DMV, my statement isn’t exactly controversial.
By reducing waste and bringing on other revenue streams property taxes can be eliminated.
Again, it’s already been done elsewhere.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 6:27 pm to tide06
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been done elsewhere.
Be specific.
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