re: #Metoo-ism is going to get out of control and needs to be shut down

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But we CANNOT let that sympathy create an environment where all standards are gone and you can just ruin a person at your convenience.

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Bingo.

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You have no idea what toll some instances of sexual abuse may have on people.

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Worse than false accusations that destroy families and careers?

The comparison above to getting away with murder after 40 years is actually a good comparison but not for the person making it

The answer to that question is that if you saw somebody get murdered 40 years ago and kept your mouth shut for 40 years that is the reason why they're going to get away with it. The fact that you saw it happen and said nothing is the reason they're going to get away with it. The fact you are a fully grown fricking adult and said nothing for 40 years is the reason they're going to get away with it

Because unless you held on to the actual evidence for 40 years what you saw or didn't see is only useful in the court of public opinion

If the police are unable to find evidence that they could have found have you told them 40 years ago that's your fault.

You know what we don't do for 40 year old murders? We don't let some person walking to the police station and say I saw Joey do it and then just assumed Joey did it.

God help us if we ever start applying this absurd standard to every other type of crime. We're all it takes is someone stepping forward to say you did something to end your career. Then they get to go back to their living rooms and never enter a courtroom. And everyone demands that you prove you didn't do it.

That is a completely asinine system

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She hears guys making all kinds of comments about women, herself included

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I've heard women talk about men in nearly every workplace I've ever been in. True story. Once two women filed a complaint to me about a couple of our soldiers talking about hot cheerleaders at a parade

Less than a month later at a group event I personally witnessed the same two girls speaking about a DJ who was shirtless. Let's just say that I know all of the sexual acts they hoped to complete with him and I'm keenly aware of their assessment as to whether or not he was packing

I suppose I could have run to somebody and filed a complaint saying that what they had to say made me feel inferior and like the objectified men. But instead all I did was walk up to them and tell them that their conversation was very interesting in light of their earlier complaint

That's because I'm an adult

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Worse than false accusations that destroy families and careers?


One doesn't cancel out the other.

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Everyone should view accusations years after the fact with skepticism if there is no other evidence. Our whole legal system is based on this ideal.

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No. I think this was all planned to be a huge cultural revolution with Hillary in the White House. They lost, but they're running it anyway.

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That may have been a goal, but the SJW nonsense has been around since about 2010. It, by nature, will consume itself until it is destroyed. I think we're seeing the movement starting to die but these people don't want to relinquish it because it was such a powerful weapon.

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Most of us do exactly that and we're no fans of morons giving weight to accusations unsupported by any evidence beyond he said/she said.

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What kind of evidence would you expect to have that wasn't physical?

Or should we just worry about physical abuse? What kind of evidence would forcibly kissing and groping someone leave?

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What kind of evidence would you expect to have that wasn't physical?

Or should we just worry about physical abuse? What kind of evidence would forcibly kissing and groping someone leave?

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that is the problem with a lot of these cases and that is why we are where we are today

most of these cases don't have physical evidence and people want to believe the woman

but do you not see the slippery slope here? it is happening on around us already

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or fall asleep on a military transport if you don't want your tits groped

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Well her tits weren’t groped.

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Can you at least acknowledge that the environment right now has almost certainly yielded a LOT of bull shite allegations in the piling on

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not sure how much, but yeah, i absolutely think there is some fabrication there.... but there is also some truth... it's not entirely, if any, politically motivated, as some of them voted Trump and/ or are Republican... axe to grind? plenty of opportunity to do that to him in the past, could have done it then, as there was no way to know he'd end up running for Senate one day... so what's basically and logically left? that these women feel emboldened by other speaking out, so they feel they can to.... timing is way fricked up and even somewhat fishy, but that's the way i see it....

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But we CANNOT let that sympathy create an environment where all standards are gone and you can just ruin a person at your convenience.

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again, this isn't about "ruining" Moore..... they've had plenty of opportunity to do that before now, again, without any sort of knowledge of him running for Senate, so they didn't have to "save their story" till now.... they feel the time is right, though i don't think it is (should have been done sooner, but again, that's on the victims and their right to speak when THEY feel they should)...

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Paradoxically, damages those who REALLY were harmed.

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agreed... leads to people justifying and defending those who don't deserve it.... let me ask you.... all these women... none knew each other previously, IIRC... same MO in all cases.... how many women did it take to believe Bill Cosby was guilty? Weinstein? etc...

i'm sure you pulled the "wait and see ALL the evidence" with those, right? i'm sure you were knighting just as hard for puddin' pop and the troll, correct?