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re: MEMO: HIC Releases the Memo. Link to memo inside
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:13 pm to IceTiger
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:13 pm to IceTiger
A few questions that I have and I’ll state before hand, that despite being pretty conservative, I’m not a big trump fan. Sorry if some of these have already been posted.
Why didn't the FBI disclose to the FISA court that the Steele document was funded by the DNC and Clinton campaign when they knew at the time of application that it was?
Why did the FBI not disclose to the FISA court the clear personal animus that Steele had against then candidate Trump when they knew as early as September 2016 when that information was given to Ohr and recorded in FBI files?
Why did the FBI use the Steele document in a FISA application when as late as June, 2017, Comey referred to it as "salacious and unverified"?
Why did McCabe testify before the HIC that without the Steele dossier no survellance warrant would have been sought?
Why does the FISA application by the FBI incorrectly assess that Steele did not supply information to Yahoo News when Steele admits in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News and several other news outlets in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS even though Yahoo News is cited several times in the FISA application?
Why didn't the FBI disclose to the FISA court that the Steele document was funded by the DNC and Clinton campaign when they knew at the time of application that it was?
Why did the FBI not disclose to the FISA court the clear personal animus that Steele had against then candidate Trump when they knew as early as September 2016 when that information was given to Ohr and recorded in FBI files?
Why did the FBI use the Steele document in a FISA application when as late as June, 2017, Comey referred to it as "salacious and unverified"?
Why did McCabe testify before the HIC that without the Steele dossier no survellance warrant would have been sought?
Why does the FISA application by the FBI incorrectly assess that Steele did not supply information to Yahoo News when Steele admits in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News and several other news outlets in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS even though Yahoo News is cited several times in the FISA application?
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 12:14 pm
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:15 pm to cajunangelle
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An obvious lie and stall tactic. Release it all then democrats
Yup...
AND...he cited the public information in articles, most of us already knew what was in the memo anyway...
It's amazing, though...the CIA has to be laughing their arse off
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:16 pm to Tiger in NY
If Carter weren’t clean, he would be a fricking dumbass to pursue a lawsuit against the government over this surveillance as he has tweeted about.
Not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but someone who knows they are guilty should know better.
I believe that this is how Alger Hiss ended up being caught, as he got buffaloed into suing over Whitaker Chambers’ claims despite the claims being true. And it was proven in court his typewriter created the documents in question found in a hollowed out punpkin.
Not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but someone who knows they are guilty should know better.
I believe that this is how Alger Hiss ended up being caught, as he got buffaloed into suing over Whitaker Chambers’ claims despite the claims being true. And it was proven in court his typewriter created the documents in question found in a hollowed out punpkin.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:18 pm to teke184
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If it were unverified, as admitted in the memo, would you stake your law enforcement career on the dossier being correct and submitting it to the court?
You are operating under quite a few assumptions.
One, that Nunes’ memo is remotely accurate and not a transparent attempt at discrediting the Meuller investigation. Time will tell. It certainly reeks from my vantage point, but hey because I’ve voted for one democrat in my life, I’m like a total libtard and can’t be objective.
Two, you are assuming that no other information was used to reach the burden of probable cause. I hear the chorus of “McCabe testified that no dossier = no FISA” and I’m certainly willing to hear that. But you have to provide some evidence better than gateway pundit or some random Twitterer.
I’m in the camp with BHP on this one. I suspect there is possibly dirt on both sides and our country would be better if we straight-up nuked the far right and left. The idea that this memo is somehow an earth-shattering revelation is a bit of a stretch, though.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:19 pm to boston vol
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FBI
Because they are dirty...
They are being sued by autists' parents right now for setting up theher kids...
They have been covering up Vegas from day 1...
If you are watching closely, you'll know theyve not been above the BS for a while...look at Fast and Furious...
Just shite everywhere...
And really, they are mostly just taking tyhe fall for the CIA
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:19 pm to Jjdoc
What a fricking clusterfrick.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:21 pm to Havoc
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What a fricking clusterfrick.
this.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:22 pm to boston vol
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boston vol
I think those are all reasonable questions. I also think you are going to be very disappointed with the low threshold needed to reach probable cause in this context (despite Nunes using language to make a FISA warrant seem like a nuclear launch order).
I think another reasonable question would be: why is the bar for surveilling an American citizen so low?
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:23 pm to Jjdoc
I cannot WAIT for the ensuing Trump tweets. This is what he was born for.
The human sledgehammer we elected is about to go to work.
The human sledgehammer we elected is about to go to work.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:25 pm to SleauxPlay
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Meuller investigation
You are assuming that an investigation
1) Based on a claim
2) By political opponents
3) Based on a FISA warrant
4) Based on a dossier
5) Written by Steele
6) paid for by political opponents
Is somehow because of Nunes' being "remotely accurate"
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:26 pm to asurob1
You completely miss the point. THIS
...
...shouldn't make a bit of difference. And who says he is a republican anyway? How does that help or hurt?
...
quote:
f Trump would let Mueller just do his job...and Trump is guilty of nothing...Mueller, the republican, would clear Trump.
...shouldn't make a bit of difference. And who says he is a republican anyway? How does that help or hurt?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:26 pm to SleauxPlay
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I also doubt that the Steele dossier was the sole basis for obtaining or renewing a FISA warrant.
Well McCabe testified before Congress that the Steele Dossier was the only thing they used for the FISA warrant.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:27 pm to dinosaur
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Second, who can ever believe anything that the FBI offers on a FISA warrant again?
Hugely. The problem is, the requirements are already so high and the punishments relatively severe, for falsifying a FISA warrant, that you can't really make it any more corruption-proof without chopping off the heads of abusers on the steps of the capital. Which I would support.
Granted, it SHOULD be virtually corruption proof but corruption is like rust, it never sleeps or dies
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:28 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Lots of rabbit holes to explore. Just the beginning.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:28 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Cali 4 LSU
Robs blind arse still thinks this is about which side of the aisle someone it on...
If that was the case the Rs would've pushed the low-T Bush
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:30 pm to Darth_Vader
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You don’t think it’s Earth shattering that a political party used the official institutions of the federal government, including numerious high ranking government law enforcement officials, as a political weapon to influence a presidential election? You don’t think it’s Earth shattering that numerous American media outlets were useful pawns to both subvert Justice, steal a presidential election, and keep it all hidden from the American people?!?
YOU DONT THINK A GADDAMNED FULL BLOWN COUP D’ETAT ATTEMPT AGAINST THE LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF OUR REPUBLIC IS EARTH SHATTERING?!?!??
Sure, I do. There are also a hundred or two hundred thousand people on the internet who do too. but if no one in our government gives a shite to do anything, does it really matter? Nunes and a few republicans can yell all they want, and they seem to be righteous, but to use a TERRIBLE fricking phrase, what difference does it make at this point if we know that nothing is going to come from it?
TL:DR- I have no faith in our government as a body to hold anyone accountable. That's why I say it's not Earth shattering.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:30 pm to IceTiger
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Robs blind arse still thinks this is about which side of the aisle someone it on...
If that was the case the Rs would've pushed the low-T Bush
Loshie, CuckRobbie, NT74, cuckeye, are all signed on now to act like they aren't progs. They are moderate libertarians you see...
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:31 pm to Jjdoc
Need a full special investigation into the fbi and doj.
If fisa and the fbi and the doj are willing to start a full on investigation and spy on the campaign of trump, based on such flimsy shite..
... wtf are they doing to reg people?
If fisa and the fbi and the doj are willing to start a full on investigation and spy on the campaign of trump, based on such flimsy shite..
... wtf are they doing to reg people?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:31 pm to Jjdoc
Bureaucracies be wary
Second of February
Second of February
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:32 pm to TigerFanatic99
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I'm not sure I see anything in there that we didn't already know. What's new about it? It wasn't earth shattering when we originally knew it, why is it now?
If this is true, why are the democrats in a tizzy?
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